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CalMorris28
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 Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:47 pm Post subject: Working on an F Visa |
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Hey everyone!
So I've been applying for a few jobs in China recently and most seem keen to get me out there as quickly as possible. This would mean going over on an F Visa and getting a Z Visa while I'm there.
However I have a few concerns:
1)As far as I'm aware working on an F Visa is illegal?
2)What are the risks if I were to do this even if it were just for a few months? What would be the outcome if I was to get caught?
3) How often do the authorities even check schools so to speak?
4) Am I more likely to be less at risk if I were in a smaller city/town, or is the risk as great everywhere?
5) Another is how many people are told this then never actually get the Z Visa? I know this would vary from school to school, just a small concern of mine.
Thanks in advanced for any help! |
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johntpartee
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| As far as I'm aware working on an F Visa is illegal? |
Yes.
Why don't you just deal with a place that will get you a Z visa? |
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dean_a_jones
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Working on an F Visa |
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| CalMorris28 wrote: |
1)As far as I'm aware working on an F Visa is illegal?
2)What are the risks if I were to do this even if it were just for a few months? What would be the outcome if I was to get caught?
3) How often do the authorities even check schools so to speak?
4) Am I more likely to be less at risk if I were in a smaller city/town, or is the risk as great everywhere?
5) Another is how many people are told this then never actually get the Z Visa? I know this would vary from school to school, just a small concern of mine. |
1) Yeah, it is.
2) Probably just kicked out and given a temporary ban from re-entering (5 years or something).
3) Anyone who answers this with certainty probably should not be doing so. All things considered I would guess the answer is "not very often" but who knows.
4) It is hard to say, often the risk is directly related to the connections your school has. Also, the problem with being in a "small town" in China (not entirely sure what you are thinking re: this term) is that you tend to stick out a lot more, and are thus more vulnerable.
5) Much like question 3, anyone who answers is likely talking from the south of their body rather than the north. But this is a common risk, and it is worth asking why the school is not willing to get you over on the right visa. Plenty of schools come through on their promise, and I know more than a handful of people who did this for a variety of reasons (to come over early to travel first, coming over at short notice etc.). But with the tightening of regulations (in July, but in general) things like this seem to be more risky.
Added questions: who is paying for this visa run (they can be pretty expensive depending on where you are going from)? what will happen if you leave China and can't then get the proper visa? have you spoken to current teachers at the school? what plans do you have in place if the school decides this is actually a glorified job interview and doesn't want you (i.e. how mush dosh do you have to get from that situation to something better here or elsewhere)? |
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CalMorris28
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Working on an F Visa |
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| dean_a_jones wrote: |
Added questions: who is paying for this visa run (they can be pretty expensive depending on where you are going from)? what will happen if you leave China and can't then get the proper visa? have you spoken to current teachers at the school? what plans do you have in place if the school decides this is actually a glorified job interview and doesn't want you (i.e. how mush dosh do you have to get from that situation to something better here or elsewhere)? |
Thanks for the feedback. They offered to pay for all my visas. I've spoken to one of the teachers yes and they haven't stated that they've had any problems. I have a sufficient amount of money should everything go pear shaped so I'm not worried in that respect!
Once again thanks for your help! |
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beckyshaile
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| Illegal is illegal, that's all there is to it. You are premeditating excuses and making a judgement if you can get away with it, or the punishment will be little enough to be acceptable to you. I doubt you consider such breaking of laws in your own home country, right? |
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NoBillyNO
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| Under the new regs working on an F in certain time limited criteria is legal |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| New regs notwithstanding, working for wages with an F visa is illegal. Period. Always has been. |
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NoBillyNO
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short term contracts are allowed with payment (f) under the new regs
M visa: new business visa
I also understand that now students can work up to 20 hrs per week....they now have two student visas .. one is short term and one is long term
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bharrell
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The problem is that you will be trusting the school to be decent, fair and to keep their promises. It often happens that the school is lying just to get you in the country so they can screw you later. Once here and working without a work permit, you are exactly like a Mexican who has wandered over the border into Texas to get an illegal job. You will have no legal rights or recourse because you are breaking the law. Of course you may be fine. I sure wouldn't do it.
Not coming over on a Z visa has other issues later. When transferring to another province, unless you came over on a Z visa, you must leave China and come back. It's a pain.
Best to find a school that will do things the right way. |
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NoBillyNO
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New Student Visas...... X1 visas will be issued to persons applying for long-term study in China; X2 visas will be issued to persons applying for short-term study in China. Part-time work and internships off campus may be authorized for X1s but not X2s.
Here go the jobs!
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| Not coming over on a Z visa has other issues later. When transferring to another province, unless you came over on a Z visa, you must leave China and come back. It's a pain. |
Twice I came on L visas and converted them on the mainland .. to Z's, the next year I had no problem to extend the current RP to the next year even though I had changed provinces. Perhaps this is what happen to you but I am not sure it is the rule. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| bharrell wrote: |
The problem is that you will be trusting the school to be decent, fair and to keep their promises. It often happens that the school is lying just to get you in the country so they can screw you later. Once here and working without a work permit, you are exactly like a Mexican who has wandered over the border into Texas to get an illegal job. You will have no legal rights or recourse because you are breaking the law. Of course you may be fine. I sure wouldn't do it.
Not coming over on a Z visa has other issues later. When transferring to another province, unless you came over on a Z visa, you must leave China and come back. It's a pain.
Best to find a school that will do things the right way. |
Hate to disagree but Mexicans illegally living and working in the USA have more rights than a foreigner working illegally in China. |
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chinatimes
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| bharrell wrote: |
The problem is that you will be trusting the school to be decent, fair and to keep their promises. It often happens that the school is lying just to get you in the country so they can screw you later. Once here and working without a work permit, you are exactly like a Mexican who has wandered over the border into Texas to get an illegal job. You will have no legal rights or recourse because you are breaking the law. Of course you may be fine. I sure wouldn't do it.
Not coming over on a Z visa has other issues later. When transferring to another province, unless you came over on a Z visa, you must leave China and come back. It's a pain.
Best to find a school that will do things the right way. |
Hate to disagree but Mexicans illegally living and working in the USA have more rights than a foreigner working illegally in China. |
Who is hiring whom? How many Mexicans hire Chinese? Now, how many Chinese hire Mexicans?
I have worked with Mexicans in China, but I haven't worked with Chinese in Mexico. I'd say China wins hands down in a steel closed cage battle royal match. |
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whitehouse
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| If you are paid from outside China working on an F visa is legal. |
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johntpartee
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| but I haven't worked with Chinese in Mexico. I'd say China wins hands down in a steel closed cage battle royal match |
I didn't WORK with Chinese in Mexico, but there sure were a lot of Chinese restaurants and sundry stores in Mexico City staffed by Chinese. I'm assuming they were all legal. Mexico wins hands down from my observation. |
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NoBillyNO
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| Mexico's second-largest foreign ethnic group: Chinese.....late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, many came over so many of those you may have seen were indeed native residents. Chinese-made goods have displaced many items once made or grown there, from artisan guitars to chilies to statues of Our Lady of Guadalupe, the national patroness. China wins after all.....on top of that "Made in China" label being on products sold in Mexico, the Chinese government quarantined Mexicans in China during the H1N1 viral outbreak in Mexico City. |
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