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newtefl168
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 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:20 pm Post subject: South Africa no longer in the English 6? |
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Is south Africa no longer recognized by China as having English as its native language ?
i am sure i have read some where that this was the case but i cant remember where i read , might of been a very weird dream? |
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Non Sequitur
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It's always been a bit marginal but not a no no.
Haven't heard of any formal restriction though. |
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likwid_777
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| I have seen it less and less on job ads over the past two to three years. A lot of them only want Americans (I am Aussie). Three SA folk taught at my school in China. The Middle East seems pretty strict (but you would have to pay me a sum fit for a king, an actual king, to work there). |
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drrjon
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| I tried to help a very well qualified teacher from SA to obtain a visa in both Chongqing and Chengdu and was refused in both places, Reason stated is that SA is not a native English speaking country. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:40 am Post subject: |
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"english 6?"
i've only ever heard of the "big 5." |
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Non Sequitur
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US
UK
Canada
Oz
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Irish Republic
This is the 6.
Some people lump Irish Republic in with UK to make 5. A sure way to annoy the Paddies. |
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Zhejiang_Man
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Irish citizens not recognised as �native� English speakers in Thailand
Citizens from the Republic will have to take a test to prove they can speak English in order to teach the language in Thailand.
28/08/12
THE TEACHER�S COUNCIL of Thailand (TCT) has updated its list of recognised native English language speakers � and the Republic of Ireland hasn�t made the cut.
Under the new rules introduced earlier this year, citizens hailing from only five countries can automatically be considered native English speakers and therefore be entitled to TCT provisional teaching permit � those countries are named as: �The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, The United States of America, Commonwealth of Australia, New Zealand and Canada�.
As the Republic isn�t included on the list, Irish citizens (along with South African citizens) wishing to teach English as a foreign language in Thailand must take a TOEIC test to prove their proficiency.
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GuestBob
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The Native Speaker standard is less defensible for English than pretty much any other language language on the planet (Esperanto anyone?) Although SAs might not find it on the paperwork, you'll still have to deal with daft Chinese FAOs who have this "pure voice" attitude towards a language which has three times more L2 than L1 users and no absolute standard.
Linguistics, as a discipline, is fairly weak in China beyond its immediate application in language teaching. |
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bestteacher2012
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| Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't even think being a native English speaker is one of the requirements for the FEC or residence permit. |
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Javelin of Radiance
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| Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't even think being a native English speaker is one of the requirements for the FEC or residence permit. |
You can be one of the three remaining native speakers of Bunga-bunga but as long as you've got a passport from one of the English speaking countries, you can get an FEC, a residence permit and you're now an english teacher. |
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avigoldberg
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South Africa is too black. Full stop.
They will issue a FEC to any person from a European country, but NONE from an English speaking African country.
Did anyone need to connect those dots? |
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Non Sequitur
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[quote="GuestBob"]The Native Speaker standard is less defensible for English than pretty much any other language language on the planet (Esperanto anyone?) Although SAs might not find it on the paperwork, you'll still have to deal with daft Chinese FAOs who have this "pure voice" attitude towards a language which has three times more L2 than L1 users and no absolute standard.
Linguistics, as a discipline, is fairly weak in China beyond its immediate application in language teaching.[/quote
Most of us are communicative method teachers rather than linguistics-trained.
Exposing students to 5 different possibilities of English spoken in the West is probably enough.
That said there is probably more difference between English spoken in the Northern states of the US and that in the South, than say between NZ and Australia. |
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santi84
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| Still good news for the 7.5 million francophones born in Canada. |
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Non Sequitur
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I thought it would be beneath francophone Canadians to teach English .
That said I note that some French unis are now offering their courses in English. Not without opposition though.  |
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artemisia
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
US
UK
Canada
Oz
NZ
Irish Republic
This is the 6.
Some people lump Irish Republic in with UK to make 5. A sure way to annoy the Paddies. |
Calling Irish people "the Paddies" is a sure way to annoy the Irish.
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Irish citizens not recognised as �native� English speakers in Thailand
Citizens from the Republic will have to take a test to prove they can speak English in order to teach the language in Thailand.
28/08/12
THE TEACHER�S COUNCIL of Thailand (TCT) has updated its list of recognised native English language speakers � and the Republic of Ireland hasn�t made the cut.
Under the new rules introduced earlier this year, citizens hailing from only five countries can automatically be considered native English speakers and therefore be entitled to TCT provisional teaching permit � those countries are named as: �The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, The United States of America, Commonwealth of Australia, New Zealand and Canada�.]
As the Republic isn�t included on the list, Irish citizens (along with South African citizens) wishing to teach English as a foreign language in Thailand must take a TOEIC test to prove their proficiency. |
It is weird, but obviously not true generally of Asia. Most likely it's because Irish (Gaelic) is the first official language of Ireland. English is an official language, too. S A has many official languages. |
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