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CalMorris28
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 Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:47 pm Post subject: Working on an F Visa |
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Hey everyone!
So I've been applying for a few jobs in China recently and most seem keen to get me out there as quickly as possible. This would mean going over on an F Visa and getting a Z Visa while I'm there.
However I have a few concerns:
1)As far as I'm aware working on an F Visa is illegal?
2)What are the risks if I were to do this even if it were just for a few months? What would be the outcome if I was to get caught?
3) How often do the authorities even check schools so to speak?
4) Am I more likely to be less at risk if I were in a smaller city/town, or is the risk as great everywhere?
5) Another is how many people are told this then never actually get the Z Visa? I know this would vary from school to school, just a small concern of mine.
Thanks in advanced for any help! |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| As far as I'm aware working on an F Visa is illegal? |
Yes.
Why don't you just deal with a place that will get you a Z visa? |
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dean_a_jones
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Working on an F Visa |
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| CalMorris28 wrote: |
1)As far as I'm aware working on an F Visa is illegal?
2)What are the risks if I were to do this even if it were just for a few months? What would be the outcome if I was to get caught?
3) How often do the authorities even check schools so to speak?
4) Am I more likely to be less at risk if I were in a smaller city/town, or is the risk as great everywhere?
5) Another is how many people are told this then never actually get the Z Visa? I know this would vary from school to school, just a small concern of mine. |
1) Yeah, it is.
2) Probably just kicked out and given a temporary ban from re-entering (5 years or something).
3) Anyone who answers this with certainty probably should not be doing so. All things considered I would guess the answer is "not very often" but who knows.
4) It is hard to say, often the risk is directly related to the connections your school has. Also, the problem with being in a "small town" in China (not entirely sure what you are thinking re: this term) is that you tend to stick out a lot more, and are thus more vulnerable.
5) Much like question 3, anyone who answers is likely talking from the south of their body rather than the north. But this is a common risk, and it is worth asking why the school is not willing to get you over on the right visa. Plenty of schools come through on their promise, and I know more than a handful of people who did this for a variety of reasons (to come over early to travel first, coming over at short notice etc.). But with the tightening of regulations (in July, but in general) things like this seem to be more risky.
Added questions: who is paying for this visa run (they can be pretty expensive depending on where you are going from)? what will happen if you leave China and can't then get the proper visa? have you spoken to current teachers at the school? what plans do you have in place if the school decides this is actually a glorified job interview and doesn't want you (i.e. how mush dosh do you have to get from that situation to something better here or elsewhere)? |
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CalMorris28
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Working on an F Visa |
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| dean_a_jones wrote: |
Added questions: who is paying for this visa run (they can be pretty expensive depending on where you are going from)? what will happen if you leave China and can't then get the proper visa? have you spoken to current teachers at the school? what plans do you have in place if the school decides this is actually a glorified job interview and doesn't want you (i.e. how mush dosh do you have to get from that situation to something better here or elsewhere)? |
Thanks for the feedback. They offered to pay for all my visas. I've spoken to one of the teachers yes and they haven't stated that they've had any problems. I have a sufficient amount of money should everything go pear shaped so I'm not worried in that respect!
Once again thanks for your help! |
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beckyshaile
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| Illegal is illegal, that's all there is to it. You are premeditating excuses and making a judgement if you can get away with it, or the punishment will be little enough to be acceptable to you. I doubt you consider such breaking of laws in your own home country, right? |
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NoBillyNO
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| Under the new regs working on an F in certain time limited criteria is legal |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| New regs notwithstanding, working for wages with an F visa is illegal. Period. Always has been. |
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NoBillyNO
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short term contracts are allowed with payment (f) under the new regs
M visa: new business visa
I also understand that now students can work up to 20 hrs per week....they now have two student visas .. one is short term and one is long term
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