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kdubbs303



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:06 am    Post subject: Thinking about Yucatan Reply with quote

Hi there,

I am currently thinking about teaching in Merida. Is there anyone there right now, with some up-to-date information about teaching jobs?

I have 5+ years of teaching, a BA in Linguistics and a TEFL certification. I wouldn't be arriving with more than about 3 months living expenses. Is it possible to just show up and look for a job?

Any information would be helpful. Thanks!

Katie
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Thinking about Yucatan Reply with quote

kdubbs303 wrote:
Hi there,
Is it possible to just show up and look for a job?

Katie


Hi Katie,

Merida has long been one of those tough nuts to crack, and I'm sorry I don't have any up-to-date information. But there were changes in the immigration laws last November and it's no longer possible to change from a tourist visa to a working visa in the country. So if you show up and find a job, in order to work legally, you will then have to return to your home country and apply for a work visa from there, which will take at least a month, then return to Mexico to start the job.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto on the toughness of the Merida nut. Very difficult to break into a good job there.
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kdubbs303



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your responses.

I have been reading about the the immigration laws, which do make it nearly impossible to show up and look for work. Do people secure jobs before coming? Are they're schools there that would offer work visas from abroad?

When you say 'tough nut to crack', does that mean it's hard to get jobs? They're aren't many available jobs? Jobs that are available don't pay? Hard to get schools to sponsor visas? Need certain qualifications?

Any detailed information would be great. I got a great PM from someone with a list of schools, so I started sending my CV. Where do you all teach?

Thanks!

Katie
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You certainly can (and probably should) simply show up and look for jobs, interview, investigate living costs, etc. The only problem with the new immigration laws is that you would have to leave the country again to get the ball rolling on the work visa.

Schools here have traditionally been very loathe to hire sight unseen. The culture is going to change in this respect, but it will take some time.

From my experience, which includes friends and family that teach/have taught in Merida, is that there is little turnover in jobs there. What jobs do become available are often part time, low pay, few hours.

Myself, I work in teacher training and recruiting. I've been struggling for the last 8 months or so trying to educate schools here on what the immigration policies have done to hiring...there's still a lot of confusion among schools about it.
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BadBeagleBad



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What have you seen schools doing, Guy? I was browsing the Craig´s List ads the other day, in DF, just out of curiosity, and it seems wages have creeped up a bit, but I wonder what is going to happen short term, both with people who don´t know the laws have changed and show up expecting to either work illegally, or thinking they can convert their visa.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BadBeagleBad wrote:
What have you seen schools doing, Guy? I was browsing the Craig´s List ads the other day, in DF, just out of curiosity, and it seems wages have creeped up a bit, but I wonder what is going to happen short term, both with people who don´t know the laws have changed and show up expecting to either work illegally, or thinking they can convert their visa.


I imagine that what will happen in the short-term is that a lot of uninformed would-be teachers will either end up working illegally for the kind of schools I would never consider working for or they'll be out of luck.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BadBeagleBad wrote:
What have you seen schools doing, Guy? I was browsing the Craig´s List ads the other day, in DF, just out of curiosity, and it seems wages have creeped up a bit, but I wonder what is going to happen short term, both with people who don´t know the laws have changed and show up expecting to either work illegally, or thinking they can convert their visa.


I see language school chains reacting by simply hiring on tourist visas (nothing new). I see mid-level colegios scrambling to find teachers without being able to. I see top-level schools firing lawyers who were blindsided by the change. I've seen more intra-school poaching. I've seen teachers arrive with the wrong paperwork and have to fly home to start it over. Still chaos.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, what a mess! I wonder when things will return to "normal", whatever that is Rolling Eyes !
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isla Guapa wrote:
Wow, what a mess! I wonder when things will return to "normal", whatever that is Rolling Eyes !


A British headmaster at a top school here with decades of experience in Mexico told me that his belief was that it was all down to the sexenio...the usual change in president/government that happens every 6 years and results in a total shakeup of staff and policy. He thought it would take a year to settle, then return to some sense of normal.

I disagreed with him, despite his longer experience in Mexico. I believe we are in the new normal, which as far as immigration policy is concerned, is simply a modern updating, in line with what Canada and the US have.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Isla Guapa wrote:
Wow, what a mess! I wonder when things will return to "normal", whatever that is Rolling Eyes !


A British headmaster at a top school here with decades of experience in Mexico told me that his belief was that it was all down to the sexenio...the usual change in president/government that happens every 6 years and results in a total shakeup of staff and policy. He thought it would take a year to settle, then return to some sense of normal.

I disagreed with him, despite his longer experience in Mexico. I believe we are in the new normal, which as far as immigration policy is concerned, is simply a modern updating, in line with what Canada and the US have.


The changes in immigration policy began under the former sexenio, when the PAN held the presidency. Tell that to your Brit headmaster friend and see if it changes his mind!
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the idea that these changes have to do with EPN or the PRI seems silly to me.

If you really look at the whole picture of the changes in Mexico's immigration policy, English teachers and the problems schools are having is just collatoral damage. This is really about laying out the kind of immigration policy Mexico wants the US to have. For years Mexico has critised the US for tearing families apart all the while doing similar things themselves. The new policies are very pro-family and allowing Mexican nationals with foreign family members bring those family members legally into Mexico.

Kdubbs, What I mean by hard nut to crack is hard to get jobs, people who want to be in Merida for whatever reason take a crappy job and then wait it out for a chance to move into a better job and there are enough people willing to do that schools have no incentive to offer anything better than a crappy job.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isla Guapa wrote:
Guy Courchesne wrote:
Isla Guapa wrote:
Wow, what a mess! I wonder when things will return to "normal", whatever that is Rolling Eyes !


A British headmaster at a top school here with decades of experience in Mexico told me that his belief was that it was all down to the sexenio...the usual change in president/government that happens every 6 years and results in a total shakeup of staff and policy. He thought it would take a year to settle, then return to some sense of normal.

I disagreed with him, despite his longer experience in Mexico. I believe we are in the new normal, which as far as immigration policy is concerned, is simply a modern updating, in line with what Canada and the US have.


The changes in immigration policy began under the former sexenio, when the PAN held the presidency. Tell that to your Brit headmaster friend and see if it changes his mind!


I'm sure he is well aware. No, what he meant and what I should have been more clear on is that the current confusion is down to the change in government and staff, not the policy itself which stems from the prior administration.

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The new policies are very pro-family and allowing Mexican nationals with foreign family members bring those family members legally into Mexico.


Very true
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