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canrun30
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 Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:28 am Post subject: What is a reasonable part-time salary? |
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Hi all,
I am working for a university but, since I have a new family, I need to make as much money as possible working extra hours elsewhere. I have an MA TESOL and over 13 years of ESL/EFL experience. however, I've been away from China working on the MA degree for a few years, and never tried to pick up extra work when I lived here before. So, I'm just wondering what you all would consider a reasonable per-hour salary for someone in my position. I live in a coastal city in Guangdong and have been contacted by a number of schools about part-time work. I just want to be prepared with a reasonable monetary figure and classroom expectations in mind when they sit down to talk with me. (These classes would be IELTS/TOEFL prep and/or business English).
Cheers and thanks for any help/advice.
(I realize the visa rules have changed, so I don't need to be told about the inherent risks of doing this. Just want to know what others would ask for. Thanks!) |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I charge 250 per hour for privates. |
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Javelin of Radiance
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rogerwilco
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| johntpartee wrote: |
| I charge 250 per hour for privates. |
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Harbin
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: What is a reasonable part-time salary? |
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| canrun30 wrote: |
| So, I'm just wondering what you all would consider a reasonable per-hour salary for someone in my position. |
What is a per hour salary?
If you mean hourly wage, it will really vary by location. In my neck of the woods, hourly rates for teaching classes without guaranteed hours or any perks is in the ballpark of 130-180 RMB per hour. I'm on a monthly salary which works out to about 90 RMB per hour plus bonuses, air fare reimbursement, paid vacation, paid holidays, sick days, housing allowance, and medical insurance.
Private students pay extra and the going rate here is 200-300 per hour but only because one on one EFL lessons cost 400-700 per hour at language schools.
Do you want guaranteed hours and benefits or higher earning potential? |
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JoeKing
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| rogerwilco wrote: |
| johntpartee wrote: |
| I charge 250 per hour for privates. |
+1 |
Not bad. I was getting the equivalent in a neighboring country to the east, but for some reason I thought it would be less there.
Nice to know, as "there" will change to "here" in 10 days. |
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rogerwilco
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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I have been told by a Chinese friend that I should not ask for 250 an hour,
and that 260 an hour would be better.
Because:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture#Unlucky_numbers
"250: In Mandarin, 250 can mean "imbecile" if read in a certain way. 二百五 (èr bǎi wǔ), while literally being a correct way of reading 250 in informal speaking, is usually used to insult someone the speaker considers extremely foolish. Alternative ways such as 兩百五 (lǐang bǎi wǔ) and 二百五十 (èr bǎi wǔ shí) do not have this meaning. There are several different versions of the origin of the use of 250 as an insult, and it is unclear which one is correct. |
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muffintop
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I have had some customers balk at 250 an hour because of the reasons you mention. Very few.....but they all seem to get over it when I raise the price. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel the 180y an hour I charge to the kids training school is too low now |
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rogerwilco
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| kungfuman wrote: |
| I feel the 180y an hour I charge to the kids training school is too low now |
You are in Suzhou ?
A woman that arranged privates for me in Suzhou paid me a flat 250 an hour for teaching one to four students per class. Not sure what she charged the one-on-one students per hour, but she charged the parents of the kids in the
4 students per class 100 per hour. |
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tangal
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| johntpartee wrote: |
| I charge 250 per hour for privates. |
What you charge and how much you make (how much work you get) can be two different things.
People will tell you they charge 250 and up per hour for privates and/or part-time teaching but in reality the average in China is probably 150-200 no matter where you live.
People will tell you lots of things here and much of it is very misleading.
A reasonable part-time salary in China is 150 RMB per hour. People will tell you otherwise, but this is roughly the same going rate as part-time TESOL instructors with masters degrees back home in the USA.
Of course it's all relative and there are exceptions, but if you're making 150-200 RMB per hour teaching part-time in China you're doing quite well for a teacher. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| What you charge and how much you make (how much work you get) can be two different things |
Yes, that's the rub. I was doing it for 200 (started that in 2008) and decided I needed a raise. The place I'm at now has a bunch of first-time foreign teachers who are still enjoying the attention (local stars, as it were) who are charging from 0 to 100 per hour. Whenever somebody approaches me about tutoring, I tell them my rate. If they've been shopping they tell me that so-and-so is doing it for far less. I tell them that their recourse is clear: GET 'EM!
My university salary is adequate, I don't care if I get extras or not. My rate is what I think I'm worth. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| rogerwilco wrote: |
| kungfuman wrote: |
| I feel the 180y an hour I charge to the kids training school is too low now |
You are in Suzhou ?
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canrun30
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies. Much appreciated. Sorry if I was not clear...these would be "moonlighting" hours for a school, not privates at home. I would charge 250 for tutoring at home, but was not sure what is fair to ask when the school is the one arranging the students and I'm working on basically a no-benefits arrangement.
It seems like the consensus seems to be around 160-180/ hour from what I gather here (with exceptions, of course.) |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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School contacts typically shortchange you on OT or extra work for them.
Most say 100y an hour. My last school said 150y an hour for over the contract hours. |
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