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deltateacher
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 Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:52 am Post subject: Where in Europe? |
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Hello Everyone!
I am currently looking at moving back to Europe. My goal is to move back in July 2014 and start a job in September 2014. I am saving now and plan to take 4500 euros with me to help give myself a 3 month buffer of unemployment. It will have been 5 years out of Europe for me by the time I go back, and I am a little unsure of the market and current climate. I have absolutely no interest in working at a university or high school etc…
I am more looking at countries like Luxemburg, Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, France, I want to completely avoid the Mediterranean, so no Spain or Italy.
I have started doing the Delta Mod 1 & 3 and aim to start Mod 2 when I arrive back in Europe. I hope this will help with finding a job!
With my qualifications and experience, what kind of jobs, salary and environment can I expect on my return? Also how easy do you think it would be for me to find work?
British Citizen
Education
Compulsory Education (UK)
A-Levels - Electrotechnical Engineering (3x A* Grade) (UK)
TEFL - 120hrs Teacher observed (C Grade)
DELTA MOD1 (Started) December 2013 submission
DELTA MOD2 (Future!) December 2014 submission
DELTA MOD3 (Started) June 2014 submission
Experience
Eastern Europe:
2 Years experience
Direct Method
Communicative Method
CAE & FCE exam classes
Middle East:
5 Years experience
Communicative Method
Suggestopedia Method
Audio-Lingual Method
Structural Approach Method
IELTS exam classes
Any advice on where to go and where not to go would be very much appreciated.
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Teacher in Rome
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| Do you have a degree? The countries you mention will generally expect a degree holder. (Not impossible without, but an obstacle.) |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Where in Europe? |
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| deltateacher wrote: |
| With my qualifications and experience, what kind of jobs, salary and environment can I expect on my return? Also how easy do you think it would be for me to find work? |
Surely you have some idea as to what jobs you're qualified for. Otherwise, it sounds like you're not even interested in TEFL. |
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deltateacher
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First answer, no I don't have a degree.
Second answer, of course I have a general idea. Who doesn't? After 5 years outside of Europe with my nose in a different flower, i don't feel myself confident enough to jump blind. I am looking for more specific information. Hopefully from people currently living there. If you don't ask, you don't get. |
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Teacher in Rome
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| Luxemburg, Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, France |
First off.
There isn't a huge amount of work in Lux, Belgium or Switzerland. I think that not having a degree is going to lock you out of Lux or Switzerland to be honest. They're high-paying countries with highly-educated and multi-lingual populations (as you no doubt know) and not many posts available. I read an article recently about secondary school teachers in Lux who earn mega bucks, but who need to be fluent in Luxemburgish. Count that one out!
You can get work in Netherlands without a degree (I know someone who did) but it's hard. Expect competition... At least you've got CELTA and are going for DELTA. Try places like Linguarama - not very well paid, but worth a shot. There are a few institutions around, generally serving the corporate training market.
France
Lots of chain schools, and you might get lucky there. Best post on the France forum.
Hope that helps. |
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PC Parrot
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sorry, in your list of educational qualifications, what do you mean by 'compulsory education'? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sorry, in your list of educational qualifications, what do you mean by 'compulsory education'? |
Compulsory education refers to mandatory school attendance---a period in which children (based on age) are required to be enrolled in school. For instance, in the US, by law, children must attend school regularly from age 7 to 15---essentially grades 2-11 (varies based on the state). I assume the OP is indicating that he/she completed high school. |
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deltateacher
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Teacher in Rome wrote: |
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| Luxemburg, Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, France |
First off.
There isn't a huge amount of work in Lux, Belgium or Switzerland. I think that not having a degree is going to lock you out of Lux or Switzerland to be honest. They're high-paying countries with highly-educated and multi-lingual populations (as you no doubt know) and not many posts available. I read an article recently about secondary school teachers in Lux who earn mega bucks, but who need to be fluent in Luxemburgish. Count that one out!
You can get work in Netherlands without a degree (I know someone who did) but it's hard. Expect competition... At least you've got CELTA and are going for DELTA. Try places like Linguarama - not very well paid, but worth a shot. There are a few institutions around, generally serving the corporate training market.
France
Lots of chain schools, and you might get lucky there. Best post on the France forum.
Hope that helps. |
Thank you for your relevant reply. It was very helpful. |
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PC Parrot
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| Agreed. Any talk of a compulsory education/high-school certificate is totally irrelevant |
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Perilla
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:49 am Post subject: Re: Where in Europe? |
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| deltateacher wrote: |
I have absolutely no interest in working at a university or high school etc…
I am more looking at countries like Luxemburg, Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, France, I want to completely avoid the Mediterranean, so no Spain or Italy. |
Not sure what you mean by etc. (primary schools?) but "no universities or high schools" rules out a good chunk of employers, although without a degree you probably wouldn't be eligible in any case.
Anyways, without a degree your most likely employers will be private academies. As TiR implies, the countries you list are among the more difficult nuts to crack without good quals.
Ironically, Spain is probably one the more likely countries for you to find work - plenty of private schools, many of which will probably be happy to take on a native speaker with Celta and experience and overlook the lack of a degree. Many eastern European countries would also come into this category. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| PC Parrot wrote: |
| Agreed. Any talk of a compulsory education/high-school certificate is totally irrelevant |
And definitely shouldn't be mentioned on one's CV unless he/she recently finished high school, which isn't the case here with the OP. |
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deltateacher
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Where in Europe? |
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| Perilla wrote: |
| deltateacher wrote: |
I have absolutely no interest in working at a university or high school etc…
I am more looking at countries like Luxemburg, Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, France, I want to completely avoid the Mediterranean, so no Spain or Italy. |
Not sure what you mean by etc. (primary schools?) but "no universities or high schools" rules out a good chunk of employers, although without a degree you probably wouldn't be eligible in any case.
Anyways, without a degree your most likely employers will be private academies. As TiR implies, the countries you list are among the more difficult nuts to crack without good quals.
Ironically, Spain is probably one the more likely countries for you to find work - plenty of private schools, many of which will probably be happy to take on a native speaker with Celta and experience and overlook the lack of a degree. Many eastern European countries would also come into this category. |
Thank you for replying to my post.
Etc... means any institute which involves the teaching of students under the age of 18. Colleges, middle schools, primary schools, infant schools, junior schools. I absolutely detest teaching children. I know that limits my options, but children aren't our only customers.
Like you said without a degree I wouldn't be eligible anyway.
As a summary would you say north/west Europe is going to be difficult with just 7 years experience, a TEFL and a potential DELTA?
I know the Eastern European market very well still and know it wouldn't be difficult, but ideally I am aiming for the west. |
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scot47
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| Get a degree. |
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deltateacher
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| Get a degree. |
Thank you for the bluntness
You are correct as per se.
It is a definite future plan. I have already looked at the possibility of doing a degree. I was actually surprised at how many universities didn't require you to hold a BA when it comes to being accepted on to their MA programme.
I felt doing the Delta and then an MA a more natural progression.
Again thank you for the bluntness, but not very helpful come next September  |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| deltateacher wrote: |
It is a definite future plan. I have already looked at the possibility of doing a degree. I was actually surprised at how many universities didn't require you to hold a BA when it comes to being accepted on to their MA programme.
I felt doing the Delta and then an MA a more natural progression. |
Kudos to you for making plans long term---it's ambitious but you're proving it's doable. Good luck with your Delta program and job search. |
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