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Msc TESOL or PGdip TESOL

 
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Dee W



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Msc TESOL or PGdip TESOL Reply with quote

Hello all,

I have been following discussions in this forum for about 6 months now, and this is my first post. After reading many threads I have decided to try and get a job in Indonesia after I have qualified.... feeling drawn to Jakarta.

I am in my final year of an English degree back in the UK. My question is what to study after... which is considered more of an advantage in the English Language teaching field? Msc Tesol or Pgdip Tesol?? Edinburgh University offer both and the only difference I am aware of is that the Pgdip takes 3 months less?
I plan to move to Auckland eventually as my sister lives there, and know that English language teaching jobs in NZ are very hard to come by, hence the reason I am doing a post-grad course at all.

I would be really grateful for any advice from teachers already working in the field.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you'll eventually be seeking work in Auckland, I suggest you look at the ads for NZ TEFL jobs to get a sense of what credentials and experience employers expect applicants to have. Use that as a guide in determining what level of academic program to pursue. You might also post your question in the Australia/New Zealand discussion forum.
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Msc TESOL or PGdip TESOL Reply with quote

Dee W wrote:
Msc Tesol or Pgdip Tesol?? Edinburgh University offer both and the only difference I am aware of is that the Pgdip takes 3 months less?


The general rule of thumb for UK PG qualifications is

PG Certificate - 60 level 7 credits
PG Diploma - 120 level 7 credits
Masters - 180 level 7 credits

The additional credits for the Masters often includes a compulsory dissertation.

So the PG Dip is 2/3 of a Masters, hence being 3 months shorter. If you are planning to make a career of it, I suspect it would be a false economy to bail at the diploma level, because you will likely need the masters eventually anyway.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"the PG Dip is 2/3 of a Masters, hence being 3 months shorter. If you are planning to make a career of it, I suspect it would be a false economy to bail at the diploma level, because you will likely need the masters eventually anyway."


+1

Also, if you plan on being in New Zealand, why don't you look into doing a masters degree in TESOL from New Zealand or Australia?

The university that I did my masters in TESOL through (it was an Australian university) didn't have a diploma level for TESOL. There was a certificate. And there was a masters. The masters was 12 subjects, 8 if you had a four-year degree. The certificate was four subjects.
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teenoso



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your final destination is NZ , wouldn't a PGCE in English teaching be a better option? (assuming this is recognised as a valid teaching certificate in NZ).
There should be more jobs teaching English as a subject in primary/secondary schools there, than teaching EFL (?)
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ossie39



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify that P.Cert and P.GDip are not like PGCE. You can get a PGCE which is 70% of a masters degree and you can get another PGCE which also gives teacher recognition but gives no academic credits.

So you have the PGCE for English 11 -18 year olds, the generic Further Education PGCE which allows you to gain practice teaching English in colleges, then the PGCE Further education for TESOL, and the one for Adult Literacy.

Where and what do you want to teach I guess. An MA in EFL doesn't give teacher status (not even for EFL) because few, if any have teaching practice built in the course.

Good luck.
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