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Uncle Junior
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 Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:03 am Post subject: Chances of a UAE Uni Job? |
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Hi,
I'm currently teaching in Korea but if possible I'd like to move to Dubai or Abu Dhabi in the next couple of years. I'd like to know what my chances of getting a decent uni job are based on my current experience and qualifications.
I'm a 30 year old British male and I have a BA, an unrelated MA, and a CELTA. I've been teaching in Korea for three years now, one year in a high school and the last two years in a top 10 Korean University, where I teach credit courses to freshmen and advanced writing composition to English majors. I haven't been published but I have experience of curriculum development and I've also presented at a couple of KOTESOL conferences.
I realise people on here must get tired of posts like this, but any advice would be much appreciated.
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, a lot of folks don't bother to read through this forum before posting, but anyway...
Here's what UAE universities generally require: TEFL-related MA + a minimum 3 years' (post-degree) university-level teaching experience; previous Middle East experience is preferred. Be aware there are plenty of applicants with these qualifications. |
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public enemy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Nomad
When you say 3+ years post experience is that post BA or MA?
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johnslat
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Dear public enemy,
"TEFL-related MA + a minimum 3 years' (post-degree) university-level teaching experience"
As noted above, it's post MA. Only your teaching experience since you received your last degree (MA) is counted towards salary. And most places (and virtually ALL decent jobs) require a "TEFL-related MA."
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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At your age, if you plan to stay in the TEFL field, I'd get that related MA - now. While your experience pre-MA wouldn't count as to salary, it could be what bumps you up the interview list. (the uni writing experience) The ME tends to be very picky about credentials... because they can be. Pay is good so the competition is high.
Keep teaching at that Korean uni getting the much desired "related experience" and do a distance MA from an accredited university... and you might squeak in with less than the normally requested "3 years" after the MA.
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public enemy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Hi John,
So the 3+ post MA experience is only regarding salary not the actual job application? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| public enemy wrote: |
| So the 3+ post MA experience is only regarding salary not the actual job application? |
I'm not sure what you mean by "the actual job application," but generally, when determining both eligibility for the position and salary, employers focus solely on the applicant's relevant teaching experience gained post-MA. |
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public enemy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Hi Nomad,
Sorry, yes that's what I was getting at. Whether they would also consider it a criteria for job applicants which as you mention, they would. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Jobs at universities are VERY competitive. Most applicants will have a "related" MA and the requested experience AFTER the MA. What that means is for the best jobs... like at AUS or ZU or UAEU, you just wouldn't make the cut.
One possibility could be HCT. Do a search here and read a few of the threads about the situation there. Then you will see why they might hire you and why you might not be interested... (they are the largest tertiary employer and the most 'iffy' right now with major changes in the works).
Your other possibility would be Oman through the variously shady recruiter/contractors.
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aummua
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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While the MA will certainly make you more marketable, it is, in kind, certainly not required. Availability of teachers varies wildly, and if a school is in need, they will take your BA and certificate and pay you handsomely.
Apply everywhere. Here's a great list.
http://www.webometrics.info/en/asia/united%20arab%20emirates%20 |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| aummua wrote: |
| Availability of teachers varies wildly, and if a school is in need, they will take your BA and certificate and pay you handsomely. |
Granted, in a pinch, an employer might look to hire a native English speaker from the local expat population (with less preferred qualifications) as an adjunct to teach on a temporary and/or part-time basis, but that job won't include any benefits or a salary handsome enough to live off of. However, for long-term, contracted teaching positions, only applicants with a related MA + several years of relevant experience get a second look. Given the sizeable number of qualified job seekers at this past TESOL Arabia job fair, competition is high for positions at the major universities. |
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aummua
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| aummua wrote: |
| Availability of teachers varies wildly, and if a school is in need, they will take your BA and certificate and pay you handsomely. |
Granted, in a pinch, an employer might look to hire a native English speaker from the local expat population (with less preferred qualifications) as an adjunct to teach on a temporary and/or part-time basis, but that job won't include any benefits or a salary handsome enough to live off of. However, for long-term, contracted teaching positions, only applicants with a related MA + several years of relevant experience get a second look. Given the sizeable number of qualified job seekers at this past TESOL Arabia job fair, competition is high for positions at the major universities. |
Tons of applicants at TESOL Arabia, granted. Tons of prima donnas, geriatrics, or married-with-children teachers who, when weighed against other applicants with less education but with more in-class experience, better Arab-rapport, and less overall baggage, aren't going to get the job.
I only have a BA. I work at UAEU in Al Ain. Just signed my second two-year contract. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| aummua wrote: |
| Tons of applicants at TESOL Arabia, granted. Tons of prima donnas, geriatrics, or married-with-children teachers who, when weighed against other applicants with less education but with more in-class experience, better Arab-rapport, and less overall baggage, aren't going to get the job. |
Seriously? I certainly don't fit any of those labels and neither do a dozen or so of my colleagues nor the other job seekers I met at the job fair.
Anyway...
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| I only have a BA. I work at UAEU in Al Ain. Just signed my second two-year contract. |
Is that with the Continuing Education Center or UAE University's foundation program? |
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Neutrino Girl
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| aummua wrote: |
I only have a BA. I work at UAEU in Al Ain. Just signed my second two-year contract. |
Really?
I've never heard of anyone teaching at the university with less than a Master's. Nor have I heard of a 2-year contract! |
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veiledsentiments
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Haven't they been doing 3 year contracts for many years now?
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