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Are your social clubs student centered or teacher centered?

 
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chryanvii



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:03 pm    Post subject: Are your social clubs student centered or teacher centered? Reply with quote

I had a student say today that my social clubs were boring. To be honest, i don't prepare social clubs at my training center the same way I prepared my university classes in the past...and with three a week in addition to the other preparation we have to do, I am often not usually motivated to go out of my way to find awesome "speaking activities" to plan anyway.

I have always thought of social clubs as an opportunity to "do whatever you want." It's our place for creativity. If you want to do listening activities, you can do that. If you want to just share some interesting photos of your country and culture, you can do that.

I have never introduced games into my social clubs, nor debates or role plays or anything like that...and I don't really intend to. I explained to the guy today that WEB is NOT a college program...it is a completely different beast all together. Some teachers seem to have a different idea here at this particular WEB center, but I don't. I want to do what I've always done, just as at the WEB before, where the students seemed to like my material. That's why I came back here.

There ARE some opportunities for speaking and small discussion in my social clubs, but because of the varying levels of students, and the possibility of confusion, I have chosen to keep the speaking activities light [10-15 minutes].

I introduce the topic, show some pictures, ask them some questions about the photos, give them a vocabulary/cloze worksheet, and then a partnered discussion activity.

I came back to WEB so that I could once again do my own style...introduce unique videos I have found in the way that I want to. I was really disappointed to find out that the most motivated student at the school was not happy with my social clubs.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boredom is a choice in my opinion, so that's what I tell my students. In any given lesson or activity, some people will be bored, some will be interested, so how can you say the class or activity is boring. Each person is having a unique experience. The truth is, the individual is bored. It's possible to find something of interest in almost anything, if you use your brain. Even if you only use it to think about how you would do it differently to make it interesting, you're still doing something. Boredom, it seems to me, comes from having an expectation that the thing you're consuming will be interesting, and all you have to do is passively consume it. After all, that's your right, isn't it? To have an endless stream of stimulating experiences without having to lift a finger to enable them?

I also point out from time to time that life, real life, outside of the confines of the Chinese university experience, feels boring. A lot of jobs have a distinct lack of stimulation. We spend a great deal of time doing mundane things like going to work, doing our jobs, coming home, watching TV etc. etc. When did boredom become a crime? As a kid I was occasionally bored, but I got through it. At the risk of sounding like an old fart, I don't remember having the kind of resentment of boredom that seems to be the norm these days. Life is not a video game. Excitement is not an entitlement. If you're bored, either get through it without whining about it, or find something else to do.

Here endeth the lesson. Damn, I'm getting old. Not getting bored that much though.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best and worst students are the most likely to complain. In addition to that, if a student knows the answer they are less likely to verbalize it as they get older.

I am finding out that games are more stimulating for the smarter bunch. This could be with trivia or problem solving activities. I start out with categorical conversations about music, movies, sports, games, food, or art and then find out where their interests are. You can research material for the next time they come.

Get out of the loop where you have to constantly prepare the "soup of the day". Get them to tell you what they want to learn. This makes it a more enjoyable experience for them the next time they come.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your "social club" a contractual obligation as part of hours/pay? If so, then you should have been prepared to conduct a class as any other (in regards to preparation). All lessons should be creative. It's not only the teacher's job to instruct, but to entertain as well in a conducive mix or relationship to motivate learning.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not only the teacher's job to instruct, but to entertain as well in a conducive mix or relationship to motivate learning.


If that is the arrangement, fine. However, I make it clear to the school I am not a Mickey Mouse show. I specifically come to teach, not edutain, students.

The onus is on the student to be motivated when it comes to language schools. They are the ones paying. I don't need McDonald's to motivate me to eat a hamburger.

However, I do feel more inclined to get students motivated in a public school setting where they might feel they are more stuck with the task of learning English.

These are 2 completely different environments. To add to this, students are more free to come and go as they please at a language school. When you teach at a public school, the students are there for the whole 40 minutes and only "cancel" when they are absent. At a language school, a student could cancel simply because their work ran late, they have an appointment, or their family has some evening excursion.

The motivation to prepare an entertaining lesson at a language school ceases when you have done it a number of times only to find half the class has shown up due some conflicting arrangement that came up since last time you met with them.

I think these schools should provide teachers with a curriculum and schedule the students accordingly.
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Harbin



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outside of my social club classes, they're 100% teacher centered.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A593186 wrote:
Is your "social club" a contractual obligation as part of hours/pay? If so, then you should have been prepared to conduct a class as any other (in regards to preparation). All lessons should be creative. It's not only the teacher's job to instruct, but to entertain as well in a conducive mix or relationship to motivate learning.


Kinda agree with this post.

You note yourself that you dont prepare social clubs in the way you prepare lessons, and seem to find them a bind. If that approach and slight lack of interest shows on a forum it may well show in the social club itself .. leading to the boredom mentioned.

Ive never worked at WEB ... but I would agree its not a college program. Its probably more important than that and requires a more professional approach. The WEB experience is probably the students only current learning experience, while at college the student has other classes to attend and other subjects to learn. What you do at college is only part of the students education ... at WEB it is probably all of the students current education.

Its fair to say that if you dont make any effort to find great speaking activities, and dont make any effort to introduce games that you are viewing social clubs as a chore ... thats just bound to show IMO. You can place creativity in the hands of the students and expect it to work.

Its a one hour thing? And you say you keep the speaking activities to 10 - 15 minutes? Sounds waaaay too light to me!

You may be able to continue as you are and be OK. But my worry would be that the student(s) who find the social club boring will start to enjoy your classes less too. And that feeling will spread and spread. Then they start complaining about your regular classes (fairly or unfairly) and your working experience becomes an unpleasant one.
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chryanvii



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Denim-Maniac"]
A593186 wrote:


Its a one hour thing? And you say you keep the speaking activities to 10 - 15 minutes? Sounds waaaay too light to me!




Really? For planning 3 times a week? Can you give me an example of what kind of stuff you do in your social clubs? Where do you get the activities from?

In all reality, I have searched the internet endlessly over the years, and only found a small handful of useful speaking activities suitable for a social club environment at a training center.

In a university setting, I can understand doing speaking activities each week: debates, role plays, speeches, mingles...

but in a social club setting where all different levels show up, I have generally kept the speaking light...as some may not know what exactly to do.

It's really up to the teacher's discretion, and has always been at a WEB center, if you ask me...for me it's culture, new ideas, listening, and some speaking. Maybe some discussion, if they're up to it.

I say leave the controlled speaking activities up to all the other speaking classes they have. If I have been doing it wrong all these years, please shoot me!
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chryanvii wrote:

Really? For planning 3 times a week? Can you give me an example of what kind of stuff you do in your social clubs? Where do you get the activities from?


As I posted, I dont have social clubs, so I cant give concrete examples. Planning something 3 times a week doesnt sound hard though? Although Im on easy street now I have been through phases of planning 10 different lessons per week with clear aims and outcomes expected.

chryanvii wrote:

In a university setting, I can understand doing speaking activities each week: debates, role plays, speeches, mingles... but in a social club setting where all different levels show up, I have generally kept the speaking light...as some may not know what exactly to do.


Surely the university setting has a random number of people per class and of varying ability? All the stuff that people feel is 'teaching' in the university setting is the kind of stuff you could do at social club nights. Especially role plays, speeches and mingle activites. Throw in the blind dates nights, speed dating, 50 questions on slips of paper, word dictation races, dictogloss activities and some other 'fun' stuff and it shouldnt be too hard.

Generally students expect to be speaking more than another other skill. A focus on that has got to be the way ahead surely?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:47 am    Post subject: what if... Reply with quote

What if I don't WANT to do all this stuff? Can't I just do my own thing, as I always have? Have my own style?

And even if I do this stuff, where can I find it on the internet? I have been searching for YEARS to find good stuff. I have come down to a few good websites, but even then and there, I don't like the majority of the material they have presented.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:08 am    Post subject: Re: Are your social clubs student centered or teacher center Reply with quote

chryanvii wrote:
I had a student say today that my social clubs were boring. To be honest, i don't prepare social clubs at my training center the same way I prepared my university classes in the past...and with three a week in addition to the other preparation we have to do, I am often not usually motivated to go out of my way to find awesome "speaking activities" to plan anyway.

I have always thought of social clubs as an opportunity to "do whatever you want." It's our place for creativity. If you want to do listening activities, you can do that. If you want to just share some interesting photos of your country and culture, you can do that.

I have never introduced games into my social clubs, nor debates or role plays or anything like that...and I don't really intend to. I explained to the guy today that WEB is NOT a college program...it is a completely different beast all together. Some teachers seem to have a different idea here at this particular WEB center, but I don't. I want to do what I've always done, just as at the WEB before, where the students seemed to like my material. That's why I came back here.

There ARE some opportunities for speaking and small discussion in my social clubs, but because of the varying levels of students, and the possibility of confusion, I have chosen to keep the speaking activities light [10-15 minutes].

I introduce the topic, show some pictures, ask them some questions about the photos, give them a vocabulary/cloze worksheet, and then a partnered discussion activity.

I came back to WEB so that I could once again do my own style...introduce unique videos I have found in the way that I want to. I was really disappointed to find out that the most motivated student at the school was not happy with my social clubs.


How many students?
I find pitting teams against each other creates interest.
You need 7-10 students per team to give the game longevity.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: what if... Reply with quote

chryanvii wrote:
What if I don't WANT to do all this stuff? Can't I just do my own thing, as I always have? Have my own style?


Of course you can do your own thing. But if the students dont like it and student satisfaction is an issue with your employer, dont expect your contract to be renewed, and rightly so. Accept there is a chance your contract could be terminated too, and again, rightly so.

Could you realistically do many jobs in the west your own way, ignoring the customers and their demands, and the demands of your paymasters? Probably not. If you were managing someone who refused to do things your way, it would be quite fair to dismiss them if they refuse to act upon feedback right?

It could just be that this is the wrong job for you. If you arent prepared to change the way you work, then changing the job is a better idea. Its not realistic to expect any job to change to fit your needs. This doesn't mean you cant have your own style ... it just means your style needs to fit within an expected framework.

In my own limited experience, this is a big issue for someone who has come from a university teaching background where standards and expectations are incredibly low.


chryanvii wrote:
And even if I do this stuff, where can I find it on the internet? I have been searching for YEARS to find good stuff. I have come down to a few good websites, but even then and there, I don't like the majority of the material they have presented.


If you have been looking for years I assume you have some experience and have found some activities in the past that would suit. You even mention university type activities you have used before. Use them again. There is no need to re-invent the wheel, just take an oft-used formula and keep applying it. 3 social clubs a week isnt a lot to plan IMHO. Not for a teacher with even slight experience.
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