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timothypfox
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:23 pm Post subject: Is my friend qualified to work and get a visa in Japan? |
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Hi! This is a question on behalf of friend because I'm no longer sure what the entry qualifications for work and visas in Japan are anymore...
My friend is a girl in her mid-20's from Singapore who has a post-high school college Diploma in Business, and 4 years of mid-management work at a marketing firm.
She plans to get a TESL certificate with supervised teaching hours very soon.
With these qualification can she: 1) get a work visa in Japan? If so, which one(s)? and 2) get a a job in Japan teaching? I was thinking possibly a private Kindergarten may hire her (because - as many employers don't realize - Singaporeans are native English speakers - but most employers in Japan are biased against other Englishes - Singlish is only used between Singaporeans and all Singaporeans also speak standard English).
Thanks in advance for your help! |
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Rooster.
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:25 am Post subject: |
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So she has a college degree? Then yes.
Good luck getting a private kindergarten job right away, they are hard to come by, especially with no experience. |
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surendra
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Just as a mention, just because the country is an ESL country doesn't mean they are on the same level as those of the Western world. For example, her pronunciation and intonations could be strange and there is no market for Singaporean English. |
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nightsintodreams
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I knew someone from Singapore who worked for Berlitz, I also know many Philippinos who work directly for a BOE and receive a high salary, so it is possible. |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Her teaching qualifications will not be taken into consideration, but if she's educated in English, has a full degree (not just a two-year college diploma) and a job offer then she should get the visa.
The hard part is getting that first job offer without a visa. If the reports we're getting on the forums are anything to go by, the market is very tight at the moment. Schools that recruit from overseas usually have a clear idea of what they're looking for, and they can afford to be choosy. Unfortunately, a Singaporean is unlikely to fit the profile.
But your idea about kindergartens is a good one. Japan has strong ideas about gender roles, and they prefer women for working with young kids.
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:50 am Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote: |
I knew someone from Singapore who worked for Berlitz, I also know many Philippinos who work directly for a BOE and receive a high salary, so it is possible. |
It's possible, but both of the examples you gave look like special cases.
How did your Singaporean friend start in Japan? Did she already have a teaching career behind her? Or did shem, say, transfer from a Belitz school in Hong Kong?
Things may be different where you are, but my local BoE's recruitment criteria for ALTs is:
1. Ability to spot (or have someone spot for you) the relevant job advert in the City Hall newsletter
2. Prior possession of a valid visa
3. Ability to read aloud a passage from Reader's Digest under interview conditions
So most of their recruits are locals with Japanese spouses -- usually Philippinos. The OP's Singaporean friend would fall at the first two hurdles.
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Pitarou
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:04 am Post subject: |
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surendra wrote: |
Just as a mention, just because the country is an ESL country doesn't mean they are on the same level as those of the Western world. For example, her pronunciation and intonations could be strange and there is no market for Singaporean English. |
Unfortunately for the Singaporean lady in question, a lot of Japanese share surendra's opinion, and an employer who is looking to hire someone from overseas will be aware of this. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:00 am Post subject: |
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I heard of a lady from Singapore who taught at a YMCA in Kanagawa.
I doubt the pay was good.
She did help my student improve.
People from Singapore speak English as a second language. The majority of people there speak Chinese, followed by Malay and Indian languages.
Considering that amount of teachers from the Philippines, I can`t see why someone from Singapore could not teach here. JET is also a possibility, but a university diploma is required. |
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Pitarou
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:18 am Post subject: |
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mitsui wrote: |
Considering that amount of teachers from the Philippines, I can`t see why someone from Singapore could not teach here. |
But the Philippinos have spousal visas. |
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mitsui
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:01 am Post subject: |
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That is an advantage. |
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Pitarou
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:10 am Post subject: |
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mitsui wrote: |
That is an advantage. |
An enormous advantage. The reason why many teachers start off by working illegally (and some of them get ripped off as a result) is the enormous difficulty of getting that first job when you have neither a visa nor experience. |
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mitsui
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Lots of Philippinos here.
They are active in ETJ and have their own chapters.
I would not say a person from Singapore is less qualified than them.
Probably better. |
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Pitarou
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:39 am Post subject: |
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mitsui wrote: |
Lots of Philippinos here.
They are active in ETJ and have their own chapters.
I would not say a person from Singapore is less qualified than them.
Probably better. |
The matter at hand is whether a Singaporean lady who (I must presume) has very little teaching experience, very little Japanese, and no visa, would be hired. So unless you're hiring, or you have some say in the hiring process, your personal views about her suitability, like mine, are irrelevant.
On the basis of my experience and observations, Philippinos get hired because:
- they can speak pretty good English
- they can get by in Japanese
- they already have a visa that lets them work
- the employer doesn't have to try very hard to find them
So from the perspective of the kind of employer that hires a Philippino, the Singaporean woman does not stack up well, no matter how good her English. Maybe they would look twice at her if she was some kind of superstar teacher, but that's not the case. |
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nightsintodreams
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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The person I knew from Singapore had no previous teaching experience or a VISA. Berlitz was his first job in Japan and he was hired from Singapore. His English was of native level as was his pronunciation. If you met him, you wouldn't be able to tell that he wasn't a real native speaker. For the record, he came about two years ago, I'm not sure how much more difficult things have gotten since then.
I'm not saying it's easy but it is possible. Whatever people say, I think most employers of 'newbies' care most about whether the potential employee will be able to fit into their company over anything else. Although yes, native level Engliah is usually a requirement.
If your friend is really keen on Japan, I'd advise her to take any job she can get, then move onto something better once she has a year experience behind her. |
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Pitarou
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote: |
The person I knew from Singapore had no previous teaching experience or a VISA. Berlitz was his first job in Japan and he was hired from Singapore. His English was of native level as was his pronunciation. |
That's good news. It sounds like I was being too pessimistic.
nightsintodreams wrote: |
If your friend is really keen on Japan, I'd advise her to take any job she can get, then move onto something better once she has a year experience behind her. |
I concur. |
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