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andabre



Joined: 11 Oct 2013
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:46 pm    Post subject: Not yet new to Vietnam Reply with quote

Hi,

Yes not yet new to Vietnam but thinking about it. Im 53, Trinity qualified with 2 years post qualifying experience and 18 months pre-qualifying as a teacher of English. All of it in Europe with a couple of weeks teaching in a state high school in India a few years ago. I also have loads of experience as a trainer within the UK NHS - Health Service. So I know how to teach and to put ideas across. I have my Police check but haven't done the medical check yet.

So I understand its unusual to agree up contracts prior to coming to Vietnam, that the usual way is to arrive, spread your CVs about and wait, wait and hope.

The question is, given the above, what do you think the chances of me finding work in Vietnam are? An almost unanswerable question I know, given all the variables but I would be interested to get some kind of feedback prior to booking my ticket.



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vabeckele



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Not yet new to Vietnam Reply with quote

andabre wrote:
Hi,

Yes not yet new to Vietnam but thinking about it. Im 53, Trinity qualified with 2 years post qualifying experience and 18 months pre-qualifying as a teacher of English. All of it in Europe with a couple of weeks teaching in a state high school in India a few years ago. I also have loads of experience as a trainer within the UK NHS - Health Service. So I know how to teach and to put ideas across. I have my Police check but haven't done the medical check yet.

So I understand its unusual to agree up contracts prior to coming to Vietnam, that the usual way is to arrive, spread your CVs about and wait, wait and hope.

The question is, given the above, what do you think the chances of me finding work in Vietnam are? An almost unanswerable question I know, given all the variables but I would be interested to get some kind of feedback prior to booking my ticket.



Cheers

Do you have a degree?

If not, the chances of becoming victim of a whole host of undesirable behaviours, one of which is not being paid are greater. With degrees this happens, without one more so.

To cover the lack of a degree, if this is the case, the Vietnamese want to see provable experience, 6 years to cover it.

Having said this, you will find work easily enough I believe - They like new faces with no first-hand knowledge of the education sector here.
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skarper



Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes - even with no degree you will find work. It might not be the best work but you will have some work within a month if you apply yourself and thereafter it will get easier before it tapers off and can actually get harder - say two years in.

If you want to make a lot of money or develop your career perhaps Vietnam is not the right place.

Health check has to be done here so leave that for now. This only matters for a work permit and if you have no degree you cannot get a WP anyway - barring major shenanigans.

Lots of threads on here to help you with visa procedures [machinations?] and cost of living/job search/housing etc.

Have a good look at these before posting basic questions again. Your post is so like so many others that it has really already been answered. If we are going to give more apposite advice we need more information. Degree?, goals, have you even visited Vietnam recently? Stuff like that.

I'm assuming you have no financial responsibilities that will need to be kept up because paying for children or university fees would be difficult here. Likewise if you have elderly parents who might need you to return often or before you've spent the 2-3 years it takes to make back your start up costs.

I don't think many people enjoy their first year here since they have to hustle too much and also because that is the year they are easy prey for scammers, crooked employers and perhaps dodgy relationships!
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skarper wrote:
Yes - even with no degree you will find work. It might not be the best work but you will have some work within a month if you apply yourself and thereafter it will get easier before it tapers off and can actually get harder - say two years in.

If you want to make a lot of money or develop your career perhaps Vietnam is not the right place.


No degree = No problem in VN!

And VN = No career!

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andabre



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

Thanks for your replies, very helpful and I take your point about checking earlier posts. Yes I have a couple of degrees, MA first degree and then MA postgrad, good to see that they actually mean something...

I have no first-hand knowledge of Vietnam at all - except the fact that I live in the Czech Republic, the third largest Vietnamese population in the world and eat pho bu most days for lunch, breakfast or whatever. Most of my more recent impressions come from these pages, on the whole a great deal more positive than the Chinese pages which are an endless litany of rip-offs, pollution and depression. So that's why I dropped a couple of job offers in China and decided on the sunnier option of insecurity in Vietnam. Thanks for your help.
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vabeckele



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andabre wrote:
Hello,

Thanks for your replies, very helpful and I take your point about checking earlier posts. Yes I have a couple of degrees, MA first degree and then MA postgrad, good to see that they actually mean something...

I have no first-hand knowledge of Vietnam at all - except the fact that I live in the Czech Republic, the third largest Vietnamese population in the world and eat pho bu most days for lunch, breakfast or whatever. Most of my more recent impressions come from these pages, on the whole a great deal more positive than the Chinese pages which are an endless litany of rip-offs, pollution and depression. So that's why I dropped a couple of job offers in China and decided on the sunnier option of insecurity in Vietnam. Thanks for your help.


Hello,

China is now driving towards the better teachers and offering 3k and above for qualified and experienced teachers - Only a handful offer that money here, and without accommodation.

What's it like in Czech? I know the pay is low but what about the rest?

Anyway, with a master's a few more doors will open to you. Vietnam has a few governmental programmes running that pay well and need both qualified and experienced teachers - you work the weekend only and the pay is good enough for you to not need to work during the week.

Vab
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1st Sgt Welsh



Joined: 13 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vabeckele wrote:


China is now driving towards the better teachers and offering 3k and above for qualified and experienced teachers - Only a handful offer that money here, and without accommodation.


That's my understanding too and it can only be good for TEFL. The jobs that offer the three grand a month are foreign universities that are starting up in China. Sort of similar to RMIT here. One of the drawbacks though is that, (at least according to my understanding, but I'm no expert), they are often located in the middle of nowhere (one and half hours from Shanghai sort of thing). Nonetheless, China's a huge market and the longer this trend continues, the better Cool.
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