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Vegetarianism Hasn`t Caught on in Japan. Why Not?
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Black_Beer_Man



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:55 am    Post subject: Vegetarianism Hasn`t Caught on in Japan. Why Not? Reply with quote

Any ideas why the vegetarian lifestyle has not caught on in Japan? In virtually every industrialized country, there are a fairly large number of vegetarians - at least enough for companies such as Burger King to decide to sell veggie burgers.

In Japan, I have not noticed many restaurants offering vegetarian dishes.

You would think that the artistic community in Japan would also have a fair number of vegetarians.

Anyone know much about the veggie scene in Japan?
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to Kyoto.
Kyo ryori is food that focuses on dishes without meat. Japanese did not eat pork and beef in the past mostly.
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Solar Strength



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're not satisfied with your life in Japan, go to Taiwan. They have vegetarian buffets there.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it hasn't caught on because, culturally, fish isn't considered to be a form of meat here. So there's no driving force to offer fish-free veggie options. If you eat fish, meat-free food is available everywhere.

True veggie food is out there, but it's not so easy to find. Much as vegan food is available in other industrialized countries, but you have to search for it, whereas veggie food is widely available.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its interesting. As Japan was vegetarian for a good while. Now all vegetable foods like veggie pizza or veggie gyoza have meat in it
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steki47



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most Japanese will give you some BS line: "meat is delicious", etc.

The Buddhist clergy here eat anything. You can see pizza delivery scooters outside temples.

As others said, Taiwan is much more supportive of vegetarianism. A buddy of mine is one and lives in Taipei. I am not one but enjoyed the dishes I tried.

Personal gripe: Have met several vegetarians in Japan. Some were cool about it and 1. compromised and ate fish or 2. suffered in silence. Quite a few were incredibly nasty and selfish and complained constantly about how Japan did not meet their dietary needs. Yeah, they were a hoot! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Veggie food may be available, but I have yet to meet a Japanese person who directly says "I am a vegetarian."

I always thought Japanese people followed trendy things fron the West.

Plus, whether you agree with vegetarians or not, there are many facts that support the vegetarian diet (low obesity rates, less heart disease and cancer, lower greenhouse gas footprint). The Japanese generally pick up the best ideas from Western culture and run with them. This one has been missed.
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black_Beer_Man wrote:

Plus, whether you agree with vegetarians or not, there are many facts that support the vegetarian diet (low obesity rates, less heart disease and cancer, lower greenhouse gas footprint).


But all of these benefits are also seen in diets that are rich in fish, and low in meat and dairy, which the Japanese diet usually is. There are great benefits for people on a standard Western diet moving over to vegetarianism, but from a Japanese diet, they would be minimal.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steki47 wrote:
Personal gripe: Have met several vegetarians in Japan. Some were cool about it and 1. compromised and ate fish or 2. suffered in silence. Quite a few were incredibly nasty and selfish and complained constantly about how Japan did not meet their dietary needs. Yeah, they were a hoot! Evil or Very Mad


Echoing this. The few veggie friends I knew when I was in Japan were delightful people, but I met and read more than one whiny expat obnoxiously complaining that a whole country isn't meeting their dietary wants. Enough to make me want to eat a steak AND a whale out of spite. (Without and before getting into a flame war, I knew more than one Indian Hindu in Japan who, without complaint or fail, found ways to fulfill religious convictions without needing to get self-righteous or preachy about it.)

I want to think I've met at least one Japanese who said they're veggie but BBM is right, they're a rare lot. That said, Japanese people who I met were well aware and accepting of vegetarianism, with at least one restaurant in Tokyo even making a vegan gelatin because they had a fair number of vegetarian customers (and the menus weren't even in English...). Just the vast majority don't see a need to convert, I suppose.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black_Beer_Man wrote:
Any ideas why the vegetarian lifestyle has not caught on in Japan?
Because Japan already has an awesome, and very healthy, food culture. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pitarou wrote:
Black_Beer_Man wrote:
Any ideas why the vegetarian lifestyle has not caught on in Japan?
Because Japan already has an awesome, and very healthy, food culture. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.


That makes the most sense. Japan seems to be aligned closely to meat avoidance. As far as the coconsumption of meat goes. By that I mean, in general not eating it all that much.

And yes Japan has a pretty good idea of how to have good and healthily food culture. Though I do think sodium is a bit too common for my taste
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I know about 4 vegeatarians in Japan and one of them eats fish and 2 of them became meat eaters AFTER they left Japan and moved to Australia!!! Shocked

My idea about this is that nobody in Japan is really that interested in vegetarianism and don't really understand it very much anwya. If you said you are a vegatearian then most Japanese will probably think you can eat fish or dashi or katsuo or other fish stocks and stuff they probably just think you don't eat sausages and yakiniku and probably might think it has something to do with health reasons. Wink

If you tell them that you actually feel sorry for the animals then most Japanese will probably go Surprised or they will think Laughing Even if you explain the whole Buddhism thing about avoiding eating meat for karma reasons then they will probably go Confused Question

That was really susrprising about the two vegetarians I knew from NZ who were vegetarian here. They seemed to manage okay but it was difficult for them going out because most food in restaurants could have meat in them. Even "vegetable okonomiyaki" would often have big chunks of pork thrown in there or the rice balls might come covered in katsuo with bits of salmon inside! Laughing But when they went to Austrailia where I think you can be a vegetarian easy, they suddently started eating barbecue steaks and burgers and spare ribs.!!! Surprised Not even a slight compromise about gelatine in sweets or the odd fishfinger but straight to dead cow carcasse on the bone which they ripped off with their canine insicors!! Laughing

Anyway, good luck with your food adventures. You can usually find some vegetairan restuatrants in the big cities. Wink

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kah5217



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a very hard time trying to get my fellow teachers to understand why I don't eat food that's looking at me (nothing but laughs and shrimp taunts the rest of the night), so I can imagine the kind of trouble moral vegetarians have.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RustyShackleford wrote:


Echoing this. The few veggie friends I knew when I was in Japan were delightful people, but I met and read more than one whiny expat obnoxiously complaining that a whole country isn't meeting their dietary wants. Enough to make me want to eat a steak AND a whale out of spite. (Without and before getting into a flame war, I knew more than one Indian Hindu in Japan who, without complaint or fail, found ways to fulfill religious convictions without needing to get self-righteous or preachy about it.)


I have also met gaijin who disliked seafood and still came to Japan. Japan is famous for ...SUSHI! Beacuse it is an...ISLAND!

Other friends simply brought their own lunches to school without complaining. I liked them.

BTW, go to Google and type "pushy v" and "pushy vegans" is the first result!

I have also met some Muslims in Japan and most of them simply adjusted and found food they could eat. Others were quite intolerant and it caused problems with Japanese in-laws (who apparently didn't totally understand Islamic dietary restrictions).

To sum up, I have no real issues with what you choose to eat or not eat. Just don't inconvenience the rest of us. Thanks!
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teenoso



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the 90s I remember going to a vegetarian restaurant in Kyoto, near the Uni somewhere . So I am surprised the movement has not got bigger.

China has a fair few Buddhist temple canteens that serve only 'mock chicken' etc. made from tofu /doufu. The foreign students here who are Muslim are also well-served by halal restaurants everywhere, owned by Xinjiang and Uigur Muslims from North west China.
Maybe in this respect (only ?) China is more 'accommodating' than Japan ?
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