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GonnaBe
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 Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:41 pm Post subject: Any US Lawyers teaching English out there? |
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Are there any US lawyers on this forum, who are teaching English/Legal English. Or does anyone know anyone who is?
I would love to hear your experiences!
I apologize if this has been discussed, but I have searched already for lawyers and attorneys but a hundred million irrelevant posts come up.
Thanks!
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| It's been discussed in the general Mid East forum (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=85009). Since legal English/English for legal purposes is an ESP domain, a background/experience in TEFL is key. |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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I know a couple of ex-lawyers in the TEFL business. What is it you want to know?
Basically, it's pretty rare to find such niche positions from abroad. It is something that usually takes local rep and connections; that's because it's not a wide niche, and few schools will hire someone just for this. You might find a gig in the law faculty of some university, but these are fairly rare openings, so not a huge chance of finding something easily. |
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GonnaBe
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| Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Well dang! I was hoping that with the degree on TOP of all the rest it would get me a visa. I guess it's back to Chile for me.
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GonnaBe
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| Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:04 pm Post subject: forgot to say... |
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[size=18]Oops, I forgot to say that I also have a Certification from Berkeley (Cal) which is half/Masters with a 4.0 -- seven full university classes,
and two sterling references as an ESL teacher, tho only a year's experience here.
I'd rather NOT do Legal English but I figure that's one thing MOD EDIT -- combine AMerican law with American native English -- MOD EDIT So a foot in the door...
All "fancy" recognized colleges. (NOT bragging, just a fact of life... it would be about time the danged names paid off lol)[/size] |
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GonnaBe
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| Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| oops sorry for the mess above |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: forgot to say... |
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| GonnaBe wrote: |
| Well dang! I was hoping that with the degree on TOP of all the rest it would get me a visa. |
A law degree is not relevant to teaching the English language, if that's what you were hoping for. However, it shouldn't be an issue for getting a visa depending on where do you want to teach.
MOD EDIT But anyway, there are more opportunities to teach EFL. Otherwise, look at your transferable skills and get creative in marketing them to employers in your target countries.
(You can clean up the "mess" by clicking on 'edit' and rewriting your comments.) |
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santi84
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| Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe Fladude is? |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:36 am Post subject: Re: forgot to say... |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| GonnaBe wrote: |
| Well dang! I was hoping that with the degree on TOP of all the rest it would get me a visa. |
A law degree is not relevant to teaching the English language, if that's what you were hoping for. However, it shouldn't be an issue for getting a visa depending on where do you want to teach.
MOD EDIT But anyway, there are more opportunities to teach EFL. Otherwise, look at your transferable skills and get creative in marketing them to employers in your target countries.
(You can clean up the "mess" by clicking on 'edit' and rewriting your comments.) |
I understand a law degree isn't really relevant, but then again, how are most degrees/majors relevant to teaching EFL?
Edit: Fixed a typo 
Last edited by Prof.Gringo on Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:03 am; edited 1 time in total |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:26 am Post subject: Re: forgot to say... |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| I understand a law degree isn't really relevant, but then again, how are must degrees/majors relevant to teaching EFL? |
That would be degrees in the following: TESOL, English language teaching, applied linguistics, curriculum and instruction, English, and/or those with an emphasis in culturally and linguistically diverse education or TEFL/TESL. |
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rtm
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:21 am Post subject: Re: forgot to say... |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| I understand a law degree isn't really relevant, but then again, how are must degrees/majors relevant to teaching EFL? |
That would be degrees in the following: TESOL, English language teaching, applied linguistics, curriculum and instruction, English, and/or those with an emphasis in culturally and linguistically diverse education or TEFL/TESL. |
Some others are bilingual education (or bilingual-bicultural education), ESL education, foreign language education, (theoretical) linguistics (sometimes relevant, but not always), second language studies, and second language acquisition. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:07 am Post subject: Re: forgot to say... |
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| rtm wrote: |
| nomad soul wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| I understand a law degree isn't really relevant, but then again, how are must degrees/majors relevant to teaching EFL? |
That would be degrees in the following: TESOL, English language teaching, applied linguistics, curriculum and instruction, English, and/or those with an emphasis in culturally and linguistically diverse education or TEFL/TESL. |
Some others are bilingual education (or bilingual-bicultural education), ESL education, foreign language education, (theoretical) linguistics (sometimes relevant, but not always), second language studies, and second language acquisition. |
With a few exceptions, immigration departments & employers only ask to see a BA/BS degree. |
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spiral78
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| With a few exceptions, immigration departments & employers only ask to see a BA/BS degree |
There's a whole world of employers beyond newbie level out there... who want graduate/post graduate level qualifications.
The OP is trying to find a way to get an exceptional visa into Western Europe, so he's exploring how an advanced degree can make him eligible. |
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jm21
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Of course there are some. The job market is pretty bad here in the US for young attorneys. From what I've read in many countries it will be considered like every other doctorate degree, which might help you get a tiny bit higher pay or slight increase in your eligibility for the job.
I am an attorney in the US and have toyed with the idea since I graduated from college but never did it. I'm more or less fed up with doing full representation and almost done closing my practice. I will be switching over to offering some flat fee/unbundled services over the internet and need someplace cheap to stay where I don't have to work too many hours (so I can concentrate on building the online aspect of my business), so China is again tempting me....
There were a couple former attorneys on the forum that gave advise to me at various points, but I can't remember all their handles. I believe there were some American law classes at universities in China and Taiwan but not too many. |
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Teacher in Rome
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I thought that becoming a lawyer in the US was a licence to print money! (So was surprised that you need somewhere cheap to stay...)
For the OP: If, indeed, you've got lots of funds behind you, you can apply for an ER visa (elective residency) in Italy. It means you don't have to work, won't be a burden on the state, but can come and spend all your hard-earned dollars over here. I have no idea how much you need to show the consulate, and I believe the amount depends on the particular consulate. Perhaps worth considering. |
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