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MESL
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 Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:37 am Post subject: visa crackdown |
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| Just got back from my travel agent in Hong Kong. She told me that the visa officers in Hong Kong have been rejecting a lot more visa applications. The crackdown began in July. The most common reason the visa officers give the travel agents is "Stayed too long in China during the last trip." They also get this a lot: "Must return to their home country to get a visa." My travel agent estimated the rejection rate since the crackdown has been 20%. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| Stayed too long in China during the last trip |
Does that mean they overstayed or is it the five year thing? |
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Wiganesi
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| Is this for people trying to change a tourist to Z visa? |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't understand, you mean they are starting to finally apply the law? |
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BruceLeeWannaBe
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| Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| I don't understand, you mean they are starting to finally apply the law? |
yes they are. Believe me. Soon you will see just how strict the laws are now. They made it extremely hard. If you are in China on an L visa wanting to get a Z visa, you gotta fly all the way back to Which ever country you are from just to get the visa. Can't do it in Hong Kong anymore. And another thing, all the visa crackdowns they are doing these days, random visits to schoold on a regular basis, and all that. Yes the law now matters.
Even those who do have proper university degrees have it hard as well. It's not just the so called unqualified teachers. All the hoops that must be jumped through. It's very tough. Getting a criminal record check, now a necessary thing. You have to get it notarized, authenticated, and certified at the chinese consulate. And that alone involves long road trips and expensive hotels.
The other thing too is having 2 years work experience. Having a degree isn't enough. You need two years work experience. If you want to teach in China and you have a degree, you need to go to Korea, Japan, Taiwan, or Thailand and get two years experience there first before you can teach in China. And you must have documented proof of those two years experience which can be verified is absolutely necessary. If you don't have 2 years teaching experience, no matter what degree you have. You cannot teach in China.
Many people will have to leave, and many people will not be able to come. And the demand for English teachers is just gonna soar right through the roof. But, in China the law is the law is the law. And it totally works. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| So basically the same hoops for the Penninsuela nation as China now. Makes China a lot less attractive given the low salaries and increasing costs of living. |
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teenoso
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| Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
| If you are in China on an L visa wanting to get a Z visa, you gotta fly all the way back to Which ever country you are from just to get the visa. Can't do it in Hong Kong anymore. . |
Please don't make blanket statements - there is evidence on other threads that it is still possible in some provinces. I got my z visa in HK in early September. My uni is in Jiangsu.
Also a criminal record check is a 'necessity' in some cities , but not everywhere. |
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Simon in Suzhou
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| Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| I don't understand, you mean they are starting to finally apply the law? |
yes they are. Believe me. Soon you will see just how strict the laws are now. They made it extremely hard. If you are in China on an L visa wanting to get a Z visa, you gotta fly all the way back to Which ever country you are from just to get the visa. Can't do it in Hong Kong anymore. And another thing, all the visa crackdowns they are doing these days, random visits to schoold on a regular basis, and all that. Yes the law now matters.
Even those who do have proper university degrees have it hard as well. It's not just the so called unqualified teachers. All the hoops that must be jumped through. It's very tough. Getting a criminal record check, now a necessary thing. You have to get it notarized, authenticated, and certified at the chinese consulate. And that alone involves long road trips and expensive hotels.
The other thing too is having 2 years work experience. Having a degree isn't enough. You need two years work experience. If you want to teach in China and you have a degree, you need to go to Korea, Japan, Taiwan, or Thailand and get two years experience there first before you can teach in China. And you must have documented proof of those two years experience which can be verified is absolutely necessary. If you don't have 2 years teaching experience, no matter what degree you have. You cannot teach in China.
Many people will have to leave, and many people will not be able to come. And the demand for English teachers is just gonna soar right through the roof. But, in China the law is the law is the law. And it totally works. |
So for qualified, experienced teachers who don't come to China on a sketchy non-Z visa, pretty much everything is the same. Haha. The sky is falling!!! |
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Simon in Suzhou
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| Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| So basically the same hoops for the Penninsuela nation as China now. Makes China a lot less attractive given the low salaries and increasing costs of living. |
Nope not even close to the same hoops. No apostille for background checks which is needed EVERY YEAR, no need to get transcripts from your university every year and have those verified, no need to have your original diploma verified by the nearest K consulate in your own country, then when on the peninsula go to the local authorities a couple times a year and have them gaze at your diploma and have them spot verify it again...
But keep on hating, Wall. |
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tangal
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| This year my current employer, a joint-venture, academic-focused university on the cutting edge of China's so-called higher education system, required what might be considered a verifiable reference check. They sent email reference requests to three of my referees, including my previous (then current) institute, one previous manager at WSI, and one former colleague and friend. Once those references came back OK I was cleared for hire, and at that point in the process I doubt anyone in HR or the PSB took the time to verify my employment history. Things may be gradually changing, but fake CVs and referees can still easily pass inspection at many run-of-the-mill language schools and third-tier universities, institutes and polytechnics in Mao Zedong Land. |
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choudoufu
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| BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
| yes they are. Believe me. Soon you will see just how strict the laws are now. They made it extremely hard. If you are in China on an L visa wanting to get a Z visa, you gotta... |
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