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nijdis



Joined: 13 May 2004
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Location: Berlin, Connecticut, USA

PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 4:51 pm    Post subject: Certs, schools, and credit cards . . . Reply with quote

Hello, I am a 24 year old recent college grad who is doing some research into ESL teaching in Japan. To wit, I have some questions I'd like to ask that I am sure have been asked time and time again. I apologize if I bore anyone with the same tired old questions. I would post this in the newbie section, but since I am specifically asking about Japan, I thought this would be a more appropriate forum.

Question #1: Which certificate is the most recognized in Japan? From what has been said, it seems that any generic TEFL cert will do (As I live in Connecticut USA, I've been taking a look at the Boston Institute's International TEFL Certificate), but if there is one that will be better received in Japan, which would it be?

Question #2: I've seen so many horror stories regarding eikawa schools such as GABA, NOVA, etc. It almost seems as if they are the butt of the joke for ESL. Is this a misconception? If not, which company proivdes best for both student and teacher (meaning training, pay, bonuses, support, etc.)? Is one more respectable than the other? I've heard good things about AEON, but would it be more to my advantage to apply directly to a Japanese school system, or though an American University (such as the Institute for Education on Japan of Earlham College)

Question #3: How will money work in Japan? More specifically, how would I go about setting up a new bank account? Will I be able to use my American Credit card (Visa)? Should I use another credit card? Should I wait until I go to Japan? Furthermore, how much in cash should I carry?

Question #4: How active is the ESL community? Do you all look out for each other or is it sink or swim?

Question #5: For a first timer, would it more productive to go to a major city, or more on that outskirts? Does it matter?

Question #6: I suppose this is more of a personal item. For those who have more experience in doing this, I ask this of you: Has it been worth it? Have you enjoyed yourselves in Japan and has it been good to you?

I thank all in advance who read my inquiries and took the time to answer them, to you I am grateful.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question #1: Which certificate is the most recognized in Japan?
Any will do, but you don't need one to teach or to get a teaching job.

Question #2: I've seen so many horror stories regarding eikawa schools such as GABA, NOVA, etc. It almost seems as if they are the butt of the joke for ESL. Is this a misconception? If not, which company proivdes best for both student and teacher (meaning training, pay, bonuses, support, etc.)? Is one more respectable than the other?
Very difficult to answer because there are thousands of eikaiwas. If you want to pin down your selections a bit, we can help, perhaps. For example, if you say which of the Big Four is best...
Bear in mind, too, that these "horror stories" are often real, and that they are often written because the people who come here have absolutely no experience working/teaching/living abroad. There ARE some real bad outfits to work for. It is often easier to name those than to say which one is best.
Pay is about the same for eikaiwas. NOVA is known to offer the least vacation time. AEON helps the most with housing costs, but they don't allow couples to live together. Many provide end of contract bonuses. VERY FEW pay airfare, but the bonuses may make up for that.

Question #3: How will money work in Japan? More specifically, how would I go about setting up a new bank account? Will I be able to use my American Credit card (Visa)? Should I use another credit card? Should I wait until I go to Japan? Furthermore, how much in cash should I carry?
Your company/school usually sets up your bank account for you so they can pay you through direct deposit. You can have all of your utilities paid this way, too, or you can pay them yourself with cash at most convenience stores. Your American VISA card will probably work, but like situations even in the USA, not all stores take it. Don't count on it working here all the time, especially in small towns. And, you have to consider the fees and exchange rates when you use it. How much cash you should carry? Do you mean how much to bring here, or how much to carry around daily? Bring USD4000, and I suggest doing so in travelers cheques. Pocket money is up to you, but you can feel safe carrying the equivalent of a few hundred dollars. You won't need it, though.

Question #4: How active is the ESL community? Do you all look out for each other or is it sink or swim?
It is usually sink or swim, in my opinion. Depending on your school/company, your co-workers may be friendly or loners. You may not even HAVE foreign co-workers! You can join the teachers union, too. What sort of things did you hope for to "look out for each other"?

Question #5: For a first timer, would it more productive to go to a major city, or more on that outskirts? Does it matter?
This is an entirely individual decision, of course, but you have to give a little more background to answer it. For example, are you fairly independent? How much Japanese do you know? Are you willing to live where there are no foreigners or English? How much have you lived away from your friends and family? What kind of personal life support system to you really need? Yes, it matters! Some people experience severe culture shock here, and in my opinion most of it stems from not being prepared for what they are about to face.

Question #6: I suppose this is more of a personal item. For those who have more experience in doing this, I ask this of you: Has it been worth it? Have you enjoyed yourselves in Japan and has it been good to you?
For me, absolutely yes. Of course, this is the third time I have been here (first time was for different work, second time was for solo vacation), so I was very prepared. I started with a nice job in a nice city, and I have moved up in salary and benefits, plus I got married here.
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:25 am    Post subject: Re: Certs, schools, and credit cards . . . Reply with quote

nijdis wrote:

Question #1: Which certificate is the most recognized in Japan? From what has been said, it seems that any generic TEFL cert will do (As I live in Connecticut USA, I've been taking a look at the Boston Institute's International TEFL Certificate), but if there is one that will be better received in Japan, which would it be?\.


Not needed to get a job here as many employers are Japanese, atre not educators but business and couldnt discern a good ESL diploma if you hit them over the head with it. I think its more a question of what you think is valuable or worth doing. A three day course for $500 wont teach you very much, while an accreditted CELTA or a Trinity diploma with a practicum will put you ahead of the pack, though many employers do not require formal certification. The more you have the better off you will be and the easier the transition into a paying position it will be for you.





nijdis wrote:

Question #2: I've seen so many horror stories regarding eikawa schools such as GABA, NOVA, etc. It almost seems as if they are the butt of the joke for ESL. Is this a misconception? If not, which company proivdes best for both student and teacher (meaning training, pay, bonuses, support, etc.)? Is one more respectable than the other? I've heard good things about AEON, but would it be more to my advantage to apply directly to a Japanese school system, or though an American University (such as the Institute for Education on Japan of Earlham College)
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As Glenski mentioned, many of the new teachers who complain loudest are 24 recent college graduates, its their first time overseas, their first time job, they dont speak Japanese and they dont have any formal training or experienmce to teach English. they come here on a lark and discover working at NOVA and GEOS is just that WORK. You have to put on a tie, work a full day, prepare your lessons, develop a work ethic and skills. Far away from home you have to develop some survival skills away from mommy.

There is an element of truth in these reports, but at the same time, they are businesses, not schools, and no one is forcing you to work for them You can hardly bitch and complain if you have read the contract, done yur homework and talked to people. you are not back in Boston working under US laws, here.

When you say respect- why is 'respect' important to you? respect by who? the teachers? the employeess? the students? the public image? generally speaking language schools and language school teachers dont enjoy a high job status and students know that many teachers at NOVA ECC etc are not trained and qualified teachers. They go becuase its cheap and they can meet foreigners. They are not too worried about school status as long as it fits their needs and pocket book. The school is paying you to teach students, not worry about whether you work for a brand institution or not.



nijdis wrote:
Question #4: How active is the ESL community? Do you all look out for each other or is it sink or swim?
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To start with, English is a Foreign Language, and we teach EFL. This 'community' to me sounds like a gated community in Florida where foreigners hang out and swap war stories. Most foreigners will put in an 8 hour shift at their respective schools and then go and whinge into their beers at a local club or bar. Foreigners do associate with each other at work and on weekends but its not like a warsaw ghetto. Everybody does their own thing, puts in their hours and meets their friends. There are labor and teacher unions that will help you if you get into trouble with an employer but you have to be a paid up member first. In general, 'getting your mates to unilaterally go to bat for you against your boss or school is not very effective unless you carry a large (union) bat with you.




nijdis wrote:
Question #5: For a first timer, would it more productive to go to a major city, or more on that outskirts? Does it matter?

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More jobs in the city, more foreigners to hang out with if you dont speak Japanese. More things to do re nightlife, clubs and sports. I lived in takamatsu in Shikoku, while a nice place is fairly small, had a couple of dozen foreigners in the whole city. You have to be self-reliant, be able to occupy yourself as you may go through the whole days without speaking to another foreigner, or have a lot of free time on your hands. Commuting to work will be an issue and if you live out in the boonies you could be spending 1-2 hours on the train each way to work.

It depends on your lifestyle, what you are looking for and what appeals to you and your personality most.


nijdis wrote:
Question #6: I suppose this is more of a personal item. For those who have more experience in doing this, I ask this of you: Has it been worth it? Have you enjoyed yourselves in Japan and has it been good to you?

.


Like Glenski I am a long term resident, married with family here. like you I came when I was 24. Japan is what you make it and you get out of what you put into it. No one owes you a living and you will not be treated special in any way, just becuase you are a foreigner and speak English. It has its advantages but only so far. There are opportunities to create a great life or a great income, travel, romance, personal fulfilment etc, but it has to come from within, as no one will care about you and your wellbeing except you (and perhaps your mother)
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nijdis



Joined: 13 May 2004
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Location: Berlin, Connecticut, USA

PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for replying . . .

Well, Glenski, I suppose I am refering to "the big four". AEON, NOVA, GEOS, etc. My fear is that I would be running with a company that has poor reputation (e.g. teachers who don't get paid regularly or at all, provide no training, etc.) I only ask about this because of some stories regarding GABA and a few others.
As far a why respectability is so important PaulH, I would figure this would be an important attribute of a good company. Is it a company laughed at by its own workers or even hated? Would Japanese student prefer to take courses provided by one company over another?
As a side note, I think its funny the reputation of the wet-behind-the-ears have received. I suppose then that the most important attribute a newbie needs is a solid work ethic. Thats good to know.

In repsonse to what I mean by the EFL (thanks PaulH, I didn't realize my faux pas) community supporting one another, let me rephrase: once I do get to Japan, can I rely on other workers to help out if I have questions. ESL Cafe is testament to support from the community to be sure, I was just curious to know the environment of teacher relations within a given company.

Thanks again for being so kind and helpful.
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