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[Capergirl]

It has become abundantly clear recently, more than ever, that there are some individuals in this field (ELT) who do not conduct themselves in a professional manner and shouldn't be teaching at all. The age of your students doesn't matter. What matters is that you treat them all with respect as people and not as prey.

If your principle goal is to poke your students, you are not fit for a career in teaching.

I'm frequently appalled and embarrassed by fellow 'Westerners' who conduct themselves like jack@sses in foreign countries. It reflects poorly on this profession as a whole as well as on our culture(s). Furthermore, I'm shocked to read posts on this discussion board time and time again defending disgusting behaviour by other ELTs.

Why do you want to teach English? Do you enjoy teaching? Or do you just use teaching as a means to an end...a way to control, manipulate, or exploit students for your own unconscionable purposes?

I really wish I could take a magic brush and paint out all the sleezy characters in this profession.

[khmerhit]

Easy CG, easy there, easy now. You're all apoplectic. I concur wholeheartedly --- sleaze bags should stay away from this profession, they are dragging it thru the dirt.

Similarly, there was a newspaper report this month about the reasons so few men go into primary school teaching. The low salary, and the risk of being branded a nasty piece of work. It's a shame for all teachers---not just the ones in Cambodia, either!

Sincerely,
khmer

[Aramas]

Oh, I don't know Caper - I'm looking forward to meeting these inferior yellow retarded girls that only have to be leered at by an old, fat western predator before jumping into bed. Apparently (at least according to several western women on these boards), asian women are so floppy and helpless that they need to be protected by a big, strong western woman. Aren't they lucky? I really must remember to rent 'Nosferatu' so I can brush up on my evil sexual predator poses

But seriously, I've yet to meet a female of any culture or nationality that was as vulnerable as our resident schoolmarms would have us believe. Porking one's students does seem to be a rather bad idea (as does getting involved with anyone in a working environment), but the moral indignation recently expressed over mr W's silly but relatively innocuous webpge seems to indicate that many posters here have a far more serious problem than he does.

[willy]

Hay CG,
Relax, like it or not teaching in Asia is a business that�s makes $$$ (not that I like it either I am trying to tell my boss a class should be 54Hrs not 36 but that�s a loss in terms of$$ so what to do?) when I was in TW 80% of the teachers were there to travel get drunk smoke have sex and so on, 5% very old and cant find a job at home, 5% real teachers. Of that 80% 40% have a BA and want to make a $$ to pay off there school lone the other 40% cant hold a job at home.

Where I am the pay is lower so most teachers are 1. Travels 2. Old and cant find a job at home 3. People who are not happy at home.


If you want to do somithing be an agent and help schools fine good teachers, and then you will be faced with? Like can you get me a teacher that has blue eyes and blond heir and is under 25��

Sorry it makes me sad too not that I am so good but I think as a teacher it�s you need to give your best ++++.

I went to an interview and was told �we really want a teacher who can sing and dance� no bull!! That�s why I left TW o and I am over 30 so it�s hard to find a job.

[Capergirl]

[Aramas]

Lighten up Caper Actually I've been going through old posts and there are quite a few in a similar vein. Two 'western woman' posters come to mind who have consistently and rather self-righteously expressed condescending and racist views on asian women, but you're not one of them.

It does, however, seem to be a common human approach to identify a target with a stereotype and then proceed as if the designated target personifies everything disgusting and evil about said stereotype - I do it myself at times. It doesn't make it right though.

Mr W is certainly guilty of poor taste, and I don't know how common that is in Canada but here in Australia it's the rule rather than the exception. I would agree that mr W may not have considered the effects that his blog may have on the girls in the photos, and I suspect that he may even be a little embarrassed about it now. I also believe that it's a mistake to infer anything from that blog that isn't stated implicitly therein, and would advise that anyone take the contents with a grain of salt. Like the Irish, Australians have a tradition of not letting the facts interfere with a good story. None of us here have any idea what Mr W is like as a person, and to attribute him with aspects of the worst sleazy old sexpat stereotypes and to condemn him on that basis is a bit of a stretch.

My own view is that Mr W is a bit of a wag, but is not at all unusual among that generation of Australians. Compared with the bizarre antics that I've encountered on 'asia expat' boards that I've found, he's quite harmless. I don't have a clue about his true character or intentions, and I doubt that anyone else here does either.

[Guest]

I could not agree with you more Capergirl - some of the older men who prey on the young Chinese girls make me sick. It is more obvious in Vietnam, but it still happens here and I am ashamed to say I am an Australian when I read about Whitjohn and also see his photos.

[Aramas]

Speak of the devil

[johnslat]

Dear Aramas,

[Aramas]

One shouldn't assume that posts are carefully worded

However, I see nothing in that blog that would lead me to believe that Mr W is a rapist, murderer or pedophile. I'm not claiming that he is harmless, only that I don't see any evidence to the contrary.

[khmerhit]

There was a guy who wanted to startup a website in Cambodia that would show real-time stripping by Khmer women, and worse, i suppose. Said it would bring much-needed work to young women. He let the cat out of the bag to some of my colleagues one nite in a bar, not realizing he was talking to a couple of vigilantes! They beat him up a bit, and scared him a lot. It didnt stop him. he tried to launch the plan but the authorites deported him----twice! needless to say, he was a sandwich short of a picnic. A victim of divorce, needless to say. "I hate those Western bitches", he was quoted as saying by the local press.

I hope he is not teaching.

Oh, what do you know--here he is. Plus a few of my former colleagues! My ex girlfriend is the anonymous foreign source--if not, it sounds just like her.

Whitjohn aint got nothing on these guys. But he should still watch out!!

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9432279%255E28737,00.html


here is dan in the news again, a few years back

[nomadic]

To be on topic first, I've seen nothing (serious) in the forums to suggest people here think he's a rapist or murderer, or really even a pedophile. But having that blog isn't good for the stature of the women in their respective communities, nor, I'd imagine, for the well being of Mr. W's health. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they've got friends -maybe even boyfriends!- who'd be less than enthused to see someone they care about being talked of in such ways.

If this were to happen to a friend or sibling of my own, I'd not be so nonchalant as to say, "..oh, it's probably just harmless..'

[Stephen Jones]

The thing that annoys Capergirl iand Rhonda Place s that all these midldle aged men neglect their mature charms to go and run off after other women.

Guess what old bags! You don't have any mature charms! You are just a couple of interfering busybodies who confuse decrepitude with maturity, priggishness with morality, and your own sad sex-obsessed hang-ups with the public interest.

And worst of all you're corrupting Khmerhit. If live strip shows on the Internet are good enough for the inhabitants of Florida or Barcelona, why not for the Khmers?

[johnslat]

Dear Stephen Jones,
Can't say I agree with most of your posting - however, I would like to express my gratitude at being labelled "middle-aged" (whitjohn's at least 60, right?)
That made my day.
Regards,
Middle-aged John

[denise]

No, there is no evidence that Mr. W is a rapist/pedophile/etc., but there is also no evidence that he respects women or that he has considered the implications (both for himself and for the girls on his site) of posting pictures of young girls and commenting on their *beep*, legs, asses, etc.

d