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BajaLaJaula



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:10 pm    Post subject: Accepted job at KSAU-HS Reply with quote
I just accepted a teaching position at KSAU-HS. But, It seems as though the pay is low for a uni teaching job.
I have a 2 Bachelors degrees (no MA), and 17 years experience.

Feeling unappreciated and under paid. Only being paid 50K USD annual.
Holidays are pretty good as well as family benefits.

I made more than double that amount in my last job in KSA working for a military defense contractor. However, the previous job was very stressful and the holidays were not as good.

Question...is 50K enough to warrant putting up with living in KSA? Yes, I realize that responses will be very subjective depending on how each person feels about pay and about living in KSA. I am not conducting a survey. I am interested in the opinion of university teachers living in KSA.

I am not asking for advice, just want opinions about whether this is considered fair pay considering my qualifications and the type of job (amount of work).

Scot...I am waiting with breath abated for your response, especially. (sarcasm).
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
15,000 SR a month ? Is housing provided ? Or do you get an allowance ? If you are on family status you will not save much on that. Are you the sole earner in the family ? Why did you leave your last job in KSA ?

I had never seen the abbreviation KSAU-HS and thought bit was a High School. It in fact -

http://www.ksau-hs.edu.sa/English/Pages/Default.aspx

I seem to remember from one of the OPs other posts that his dream is to buy multiple housing units which he will then rent out. On USW$4,000 a month ? Perhaps if he lives frugally and minimises travel in vacations.

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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Accepted job at KSAU-HS Reply with quote
Yes, that's about right given your qualifications. Salaries are capped, so your 17 years of experience won't get you more money if the cap is set at, say, 5 years for that particular position. In other words, you'd earn about the same as someone with about half your experience.

(Scot47, that's King Saud bin Abdulaziz University for Health Sciences.)
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Sheik Yerbuti



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fair? What a joke. The tea server on my work site runs harder than me,
and he makes 700 SAR. Considering what they will probably ask you
to do at your "uni", si 50 large is probably overpaid. If you have been
here before, you might have a good idea of what constitutes equality
in the Kingdom of fun.
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SENTINEL33



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Accepted job at KSAU-HS Reply with quote
BajaLaJaula wrote:
Feeling unappreciated and under paid.


It sounds to me like you’re ruminating more than posting a genuine query. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but it’s hard to discern exactly where you’re coming from (and where you’re going).

1. It appears you “accepted” a job and now you’re wondering if you’re being underpaid. Shouldn’t it be the other way around? First you think about what they offer and then you sign?

2. $50 thou without an MA? Sounds pretty good to me. You don’t give enough job information for anyone to make a valid comment. As you know, in KSA, the salary is only one of several considerations one must take into account to decide on the worth of a job so knowing just the salary is insufficient data for even an “opinion”, let alone advice.

3. “Feeling unappreciated”? I repeat…….was it only after you signed the contract that you started feeling unappreciated? How did you feel before you accepted the offer? Appreciated?

In addition-

Anyone under the impression that he must “feel” appreciated by any KSA employer (or any employer, actually) is making a strategic miscalculation of colossal proportions in his job search.

The truth is, the vast majority of employers in the Middle East would do anything to get rid of their “ESL units”. Take for example, the military contractors in KSA: they are there on a “mission” to train the troops in certain military tactics and procedures. The last thing they want in their midst is a bunch of creepy ESLers running around camp. But they are forced to include ESL training, so hire us they do. But don’t think for a minute it’s because they want to. Not a chance. They would do anything to close down their ESL units.

Equally with universities: most of them consider it below their dignity to have to offer what amounts to “remedial” (or even beginning) English classes. Especially when these classes constitute the biggest department on campus forcing them to hire ESL teachers by the dozens.

That’s why so many of these institutions (and others) have in the past few years taken to using “contractors” to supply them with ESLers. The further away they can get from having to deal with ESLers the better.

Many ESLers truly believe they are hired on the basis that an employer “appreciates” their training, experience and service. This is utter hogwash and day-dreaming of the highest order.

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rollingk



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Anyone under the impression that he must “feel” appreciated by any KSA employer (or any employer, actually) is making a strategic miscalculation of colossal proportions in his job search.


Funny stuff!!! Maybe the OP only meant he felt under appreciated monetarily.


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Many ESLers truly believe they are hired on the basis that an employer “appreciates” his training, experience and service. This is utter hogwash and day-dreaming of the highest order.


Well .. . I never, Sen. What a lot to say.

Laughing

Anyway Baja, that's about right for a uni esl job with your background. However, overtime is often available and this could bump your salary up a good bit.

I've worked at both military and uni jobs and there's a lot to be said for the "ambiguity" at university. Oddly, some people can't take this, but it's nothing compared to the hard-assed recalcitrant idiocy you've probably encountered in that past military job.
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