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Documents other than Passport/Z-Visa to bring to China?

 
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maj0915



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:24 pm    Post subject: Documents other than Passport/Z-Visa to bring to China? Reply with quote

Hey everyone, I just received my Z-Visa and am going to be flying out to China in a couple of weeks for my first job abroad! Therefore, I want to make sure I bring all of the appropriate documents. Will it be necessary to bring any official documents other than the Passport and Z-Visa when I travel, such as my college diploma, TEFL, etc.?
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vikeologist



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should bring your original degree certificates, and any other original certificates you think you might need. Your initial job may not need originals, but you might move on straight to another job or opportunity that does.

Incidentally the words 'college diploma' worried me. Maybe it's my poor American English, but does this mean you don't have a degree? Does your school know this?

A degree is a prerequisite for (/of?) getting a foreign experts' certificate. Of course, people sometimes play outside the rules, but I just wanted to check that the school and you are on the same page.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why would you not bring these things?


Personally, I've never needed the originals of my degrees or certificates anywhere I've ever been (not just China), scans have sufficed. I know many people who carry the originals with them, but.....

One less thing for me to keep track of.

This is just me, though.
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JamesD



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To actually get in and start work you only need the visa in your passport. You might need your diploma and certs if you plan on staying and change employers. A scan will usually do but play it safe and bring them.

If you plan on being here a while like some of us old-timers you might bring your birth certificate or a notarized copy. I know I'll get jumped on by people who think it's overkill/unnecessary but over the last 18 years it has come in handy a couple of times.

Check that your driver's license is good for at least another year - I've used mine as ID once or twice when I didn't carry my passport, you may want to get a Chinese DL, it's a good prop for lessons.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you might bring your birth certificate or a notarized copy


Good idea; I've never needed it in China, but it is required for the FMwhatever in Mexico (and other places as well, I'm sure). I should get that, thanks for reminding me.
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GreatApe



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with JamesD ... I've rarely had to use the original copies of my degrees, transcripts or my birth certificate. I generally just use my scanned copies which have been saved on USB (as well as emailed to myself, just to be safe).

However, there have been a couple of times that I've been glad that I also have the original hard copies too.

Good Luck in your new job, and Welcome to China!

--GA
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vikeologist



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, I accept that originals aren't always needed.

In Ningbo though, no original degree certs, no residence permit; end of, (subject to the standard things might be different now or I might have been lied to etc).
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: Documents other than Passport/Z-Visa to bring to China? Reply with quote

shuman129 wrote:

Doesn't it makes sense to you (yes, I know, a stretch) to bring all your necessary documents exactly as you suggested? Why would you not bring these things?


Explain.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikeologist wrote:


Incidentally the words 'college diploma' worried me. Maybe it's my poor American English, but does this mean you don't have a degree? Does your school know this?


The two are used interchangeably outside academia, especially outside the U.S.. Inside academia, though, a distinction is made. A college diploma requires a narrower range of subjects for graduation (no foreign language, no advanced mathematics beyond foundational level, etc.). Medical technician and secretarial jobs can be had with a diploma. A college diploma is usually awarded for one-year courses of study.
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JamesD



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically there is a difference but many people use diploma to mean the piece of paper and degree the abstract.

"I have my degree and here's the diploma to prove it."

Not actually correct, just common usage.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My certificates are mounted on card, so I took scanned versions and left the bulkier items in an envelope at home to be mailed to me if needed. They weren't.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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things might be different now or I might have been lied to etc


Are you saying somebody told you this? I've never been employed there but I applied once (sent them scans) and they didn't say anything about originals. I was fairly well along in the process but I found a better position (before I signed anything).
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vikeologist



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johntpartee wrote:
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things might be different now or I might have been lied to etc


Are you saying somebody told you this? I've never been employed there but I applied once (sent them scans) and they didn't say anything about originals. I was fairly well along in the process but I found a better position (before I signed anything).


No, it was just a standard disclaimer that the more certain I am about something, the more likely it is that things have changed (or that I was talking nonsense from the start). From 2009 to a year ago, originals were a must in Ningbo. (presumably still are). If the school you applied to didn't mention that, they should have. Both schools I've worked for probably tell new teachers 3 or 4 times at least that they must bring the originals.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, it was just a standard disclaimer


I hear ya; speaking in absolutes about anything here is folly.
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