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jammex88
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 Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:21 am Post subject: Opinions on this offer? |
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I've been reading these boards for days and I am still not sure if this is a good offer. Any thoughts?
Ⅶ. Benefits will be offered as the following:
1. Free round trip airfare (economic class with most direct route from your home city to Jinan) for one academic year contract and one way ticket for spring semester contract. Arrange meeting teacher at Jinan Airport.
2. Salary: Monthly salary begins with ¥ 5000 CNY or higher, according to your qualification and working experience.
3. Travel allowance: ¥2200 CNY for one academic year，¥ 1100 CNY for one semester.
4. Winter vocation and the Chinese lawful holidays with salary.
5. One free furnished apartment with bedrooms, sitting room, kitchen, bathroom, TV, telephone, drinking water dispenser, air-conditioner, washing machine and basic cooking utensils are provided. Costs for water, electricity, heating and campus internet will be taken by university, not including costs of board, drinking water, telephone bill, and broad band internet.
6. UJN will offer commercial medical insurance during the working employment. However the expenses in registration, doctors’ home visits, fitting false teeth, cleaning teeth, undergoing cosmetic surgery, buying spectacles, seeing a doctor outside the university, boarding in hospital and taking non-medical tonics and some medicines are not be covered in the medical insurance.
7. Help to Apply for Work Permit, Work invitation (“Z” visa application materials) and Residence Permit in China (it is only for one academic year teacher) and “F” visa for one semester teacher.
8. If both parties are satisfied with each other after one semester contract, foreign teachers can apply for extending the contract for another academic year ahead of time, University will help foreign teachers to apply for legal stay according to Chinese Laws.
Ⅷ. Teaching information:
1. Detailed teaching Information such as courses, classes and students, please contact with the coordinators in different schools
2. Teaching Time:
No more than 16 teaching hours (about 14 hours) a week at daytime. You may have class on another campus (there are two campus in UJN), which will take 30 minutes by school bus |
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buffalobill12323
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Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:27 am Post subject: Re: Opinions on this offer? |
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I've been reading these boards for days and I am still not sure if this is a good offer. Any thoughts?
Ⅶ. Benefits will be offered as the following:
1. Free round trip airfare (economic class with most direct route from your home city to Jinan) for one academic year contract and one way ticket for spring semester contract. Arrange meeting teacher at Jinan Airport.
2. Salary: Monthly salary begins with ¥ 5000 CNY or higher, according to your qualification and working experience.
3. Travel allowance: ¥2200 CNY for one academic year，¥ 1100 CNY for one semester.
4. Winter vocation and the Chinese lawful holidays with salary.
5. One free furnished apartment with bedrooms, sitting room, kitchen, bathroom, TV, telephone, drinking water dispenser, air-conditioner, washing machine and basic cooking utensils are provided. Costs for water, electricity, heating and campus internet will be taken by university, not including costs of board, drinking water, telephone bill, and broad band internet.
6. UJN will offer commercial medical insurance during the working employment. However the expenses in registration, doctors’ home visits, fitting false teeth, cleaning teeth, undergoing cosmetic surgery, buying spectacles, seeing a doctor outside the university, boarding in hospital and taking non-medical tonics and some medicines are not be covered in the medical insurance.
7. Help to Apply for Work Permit, Work invitation (“Z” visa application materials) and Residence Permit in China (it is only for one academic year teacher) and “F” visa for one semester teacher.
8. If both parties are satisfied with each other after one semester contract, foreign teachers can apply for extending the contract for another academic year ahead of time, University will help foreign teachers to apply for legal stay according to Chinese Laws.
Ⅷ. Teaching information:
1. Detailed teaching Information such as courses, classes and students, please contact with the coordinators in different schools
2. Teaching Time:
No more than 16 teaching hours (about 14 hours) a week at daytime. You may have class on another campus (there are two campus in UJN), which will take 30 minutes by school bus |
As it stands, terrible - never sign this unless the '5,000 or higher' becomes a concrete, higher number. 7,000 would be a bare minimum IMO - dependent on your needs. Personally i wouldn't go anywhere near 7,000 either, but many find it acceptable |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:52 am Post subject: |
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No.
There's probably other bad stuff as well, but this is the dealbreaker. The school is shady. |
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JamesD
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Location: "As far as I'm concerned bacon comes from a magical happy place."
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Since they can get Z visas for one year teachers they're probably just trying to save money by getting F visas for those here for a single term. I'm sure a lot of places do it; some have connections and the local bureaus turn a blind eye, some do it because TIC.
That doesn't change the fact that it's illegal and, whether or not the school gets fined, you're the one who runs the risk of being thrown out. Even if you come for a year on a Z visa there is a chance they could get caught hiring someone else on an F visa and lose their license altogether. Best case scenario leaves you standing on the corner with your suitcase. |
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jammex88
Joined: 09 Feb 2014
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Location: United States
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| This place looks like a really modern university to me. The website and pictures..looks like any univ in the US to me. Someone posted the place is shady but I am not sure what that is based on...reputation? It is Jinan University..if anyone knows anything about it. |
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muffintop
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| jammex88 wrote: |
| This place looks like a really modern university to me. The website and pictures..looks like any univ in the US to me. Someone posted the place is shady but I am not sure what that is based on...reputation? It is Jinan University..if anyone knows anything about it. |
Try reading exactly what JamesD and johnpartee said until you understand.
To speed things up.....
An F visa is not for work; an F visa will not permit you to get an RP (Residence Permit) or an FEC (Foreign Expert Certificate).
Working on an F is illegal.
The school (you know...the one with the pretty pictures) is asking teachers to work illegally.
Shady. |
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Bud Powell
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"...if both parties are satisfied with each other after one semester contract, ... University will help foreign teachers to apply for legal stay according to Chinese Laws..."
Help? The school has to arrange for it. Then I suppose the FT would have to take a run to HK.
But until then, Foreign Teachers will stay illegally.
Save yourself while there's still time. RUN!
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buffalobill12323
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| jammex88 wrote: |
| This place looks like a really modern university to me. The website and pictures..looks like any univ in the US to me. Someone posted the place is shady but I am not sure what that is based on...reputation? It is Jinan University..if anyone knows anything about it. |
Jinan university is in Guangdong. THIS PLACE IS NOT JINAN UNIVERSITY. it might be the university of Jinan, or, more likely it is some private school trying to get business by imitating a famous name. So far we have illegal visa conditions, fake name, and lousy pay - sure, sure - this one's a keeper |
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Javelin of Radiance
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Opinions on this offer? |
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| buffalobill12323 wrote: |
| jammex88 wrote: |
| This place looks like a really modern university to me. The website and pictures..looks like any univ in the US to me. Someone posted the place is shady but I am not sure what that is based on...reputation? It is Jinan University..if anyone knows anything about it. |
Jinan university is in Guangdong. THIS PLACE IS NOT JINAN UNIVERSITY. it might be the university of Jinan, or, more likely it is some private school trying to get business by imitating a famous name. So far we have illegal visa conditions, fake name, and lousy pay - sure, sure - this one's a keeper |
It's likely the poster just confused the names and the place is University of Jinan (UJN), which is in Jinan.
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| 6. UJN will offer commercial medical insurance during the working employment. |
Provided the school can help the teacher get a Z visa this deal's no worse than most university jobs advertised here. |
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muffintop
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Opinions on this offer? |
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Provided the school can help the teacher get a Z visa this deal's no worse than most university jobs advertised here. |
They can (supposedly).. of course that is after a 6 month stint as an illegal worker under an F visa...... Perhaps you missed that part. I do not believe that would be considered to be no worse than other Uni gigs advertised.
Really...this Uni cracks me up.
They want you to go there and work illegally and if they like you they'll help you apply for legal stay according to Chinese laws.
How any Uni can get away with advertising something like this is mind boggling.
Oh yeah....TIC. |
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Javelin of Radiance
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| They advertise a Z visa for a year contract, which is fine. F visa for one term, which is not fine. My advice is don't take the one term option and ask if you can sign a one year contract even if starting in February. If they don't agree then move on. |
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muffintop
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Perhaps I am reading it wrong but....
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| 8. If both parties are satisfied with each other after one semester contract, foreign teachers can apply for extending the contract for another academic year ahead of time, University will help foreign teachers to apply for legal stay according to Chinese Laws. |
....sure sounds like they won't extend a 1yr position to anyone who has not completed the 6 month illegal 'trial' period under an F.
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At any rate...the Uni is obviously not shy about breaking Chinese laws and that should be considered about the biggest red flag there is. |
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Bud Powell
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"...ask if you can sign a one year contract even if starting in February..."
At this point, February is half over. How can the school get a LOI out and delivered to the prospective FT so that he can get his Z visa in time for him to arrive in February? You must mean "mid-march". |
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jammex88
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| This is a position to start in August. |
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johntpartee
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| You're the final authority, OP, but you can find plenty of legit positions. |
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