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Fortigurn
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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 Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 8:39 am Post subject: 8 hours a day for NT$53,000 a month? |
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Not real sure about this contract being offered to me. Some of it makes me seriously think twice:
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| III.1 Salary for a full month of working shall be in New Taiwan Dollars NT$53,000, to be paid on the 5th day of the upcoming month. If the payday falls on a holiday or weekend, the payday will be automatically postponed to the next working day. Tax on income earned shall be withheld by the employer in accordance with Taiwan ROC laws. |
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Ⅳ.1 Employee is required to work for eight hours each day. Working hours are from 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. (8:45 a.m.~4:00 p.m. at the kindergarten, and 4:30 p.m.~6:00 p.m. at the elementary department), with a lunch break (1.5 hours), Monday through Friday.
The above working hours are covered by the basic salary. Teaching the elementary program is an obligation and a hard-working allowance, NT$600 per class, will be paid to show appreciation for the employee�s cooperation. Hours of teaching may need to be changed depending on class enrollment. The employee is not entitled to any hard-working allowance on weekends, holidays, and absent days. |
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| III.7 The employer shall provide an attendance bonus of NT$ 500 per week when the employee meets the requirements of being punctual and attending all the classes and meetings for that week, for a total of NT$ 2,000 in any pay period. Partial weeks will be counted in the following pay period. An additional merit-based performance bonus of NT$5,000 will be provided at the end of each semester. |
That doesn't sound like much for 8 hours a day.
This sounds... well, pretty ok, although I've heard horrible stories about school provided accomodation:
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| III.3 The employer will provide accommodation with a maintenance fee of from NT$3,500 to NT$5,500 per month, depending on the size and condition of the room, paid by the employee. If the employee chooses, he/she can live outside the school at his/her own risk and expense and forfeits all rights to the school�s accommodation. |
But this gets to me:
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Ⅶ. In the event the employee is found to offend one of the following prohibitions during his/her employment, the employer may terminate this contract. The employee shall comply immediately without objection and return to his/her country of origin.
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(4) Being engaged in employment other than with the employer or working on the side for a third party. |
Is that a standard clause? What if I want to do part time or private work at the same time?
And this is a killer:
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ArticleⅧ Other Provision
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Ⅷ.3 The employee shall not be engaged in the English teaching or be hired by any other English school in Hsin-Chu for one year after the termination or expiration of this agreement.
If the employee fails to perform the obligation said above, the employee shall pay the employer six months� salary as penalty. |
Please don't tell me that's standard! 
On the other hand, there's this summer school program contract another school is offering:
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We have a elementary position starting August 23. However, the school will have summer camps during July & early August:
Session 1: July 05 ~ July 09
Session 2: July 12 ~ July 16
Session 3: Aug 09 ~ Aug 13
Session 4: Aug 16 ~ Aug 20
Salary: NT$10,000/session
If you sign this position with us, you can start on July 5 at the summer camp. |
The times are ideal for me, because I'll be arriving in Taiwan on June 29, and I will want to be starting work as soon as possible (I'll need money to live on).
If I figure that correctly, I'll be working for sixteen days for NT$40,000. Hopefully that won't be my only income for that two months, but it might still leave me room for part time work in there somewhere. Decisions, decisions...
Pop Fly, before you ask - yes, I emailed Wall Street. It bounced twice (mailbox full), so I filled out their online application form, but didn't receive any reply. I might just rock around there when I hit Taiwan anyway. |
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MTurton
Joined: 10 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 11:51 am Post subject: |
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53000 / (40hrs * 4 weeks) = $331/hr or RIPOFF!
If you work at a second job, tell no one.
I wouldn't take this position! You can make the same with a lot less work....25 hours a week, or 100 a month, at $500 hour, works out to the same salary.
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| MTurton wrote: |
53000 / (40hrs * 4 weeks) = $331/hr or RIPOFF!
If you work at a second job, tell no one.
I wouldn't take this position! You can make the same with a lot less work....25 hours a week, or 100 a month, at $500 hour, works out to the same salary. |
Thanks, that's what it looked like to me. The second one looks more reasonable, something to help me get my feet on the ground.
I must say I really appreciate the level of help the old timers and regulars provide on this forum. One day I hope to be able to give something back to it.  |
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Taylor
Joined: 24 Oct 2003
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Location: Texas/Taiwan
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Who is running that school? Some law school flunkees? How many pages is the whole thing????
All of those Piss-ant "contracts" are worth less than a clean sheet of white paper anyway! The only contract that "counts" is the one in English AND Chinese that states you will be given 14 hours of work per week. It is stamped by the owner of the language school with a big ol' chop. This is the ONLY ONLY ONLY one submitted to the Educ Office/Labor Office.
That trivial crap included in that English contract is simply a scare tactic! You think I am wrong? Show me one court in Taiwan that will consider an English contract! That is preposterous! It's like using a contract written in Chinese in the US. You would be laughed at!!!!
BEWARE!!! That contract has more RED-TAPE than I have ever seen in a contract to SIMPLY teach English to a bunch of little kids!!!!
At the first sign of excessive bureaucracy----RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Taylor wrote: |
| All of those Piss-ant "contracts" are worth less than a clean sheet of white paper anyway! The only contract that "counts" is the one in English AND Chinese that states you will be given 14 hours of work per week. It is stamped by the owner of the language school with a big ol' chop. This is the ONLY ONLY ONLY one submitted to the Educ Office/Labor Office. |
This was in English and Chinese, and was 6 pages long. I did think that some of the clauses were simply too outrageous to be taken seriously.
Thanks for confirming my opinion.  |
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WorkingVaca
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 11:58 pm Post subject: Don't take it |
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| I agree with the others. 53K/month for 40 hours a week is ridiculous. You won't even have time for a second job with that schedule. It is possible to make that much working just 15-20 hours a week at a part time job with private work on the side. Keep looking.... |
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 5:37 am Post subject: |
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That is one of the lowest paying jobs I have ever seen for Foreign teachers on Taiwan.
You could do better just tutoring students at the weekend.
Good luck,
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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This is a bit better, but still 8 hours a day:
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locate Tainan city, looking for 1 full time teacher at Jun 15th, Mon~Fri:AM0900~PM1700, school pay 65000 ~ 70000 per month, perfer teacher have (AMI, AMS, MIA), or have Montessori experience, plus INS, work permit, and $NT5000 housing subsidies every monthly, Kid's age from 03~06
years old. Click the link to see Tainan city : http://tour.tncg.gov.tw/eng-101.htm |
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Wonder
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Yeah...there's no way fortigurn...say thanks but no thanks! I make that much and I am barely at my school.
I especially like the clauses about the apartment (NT$3,500-5,000 Maintenence fee?????) Sounds like rent to me!
And the one about not working in the area for one year AFTER your contract expires? Who are they trying to kid? Do people actually work at this school?
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daily chai
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BTW, it's standard that you can't work at another school. That's a rule of the MoL (or is it the MoE that runs the who for English teachers now? I forgot.) It's to make sure the government pockets your tax. Otherwise your second employer will probably claim your tax, and take it him/herself. AFAIK, only in Japan do you have the legal right to work at any job you want, once you get permission to work and reside there.
HTH! |
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| daily chai wrote: |
BTW, it's standard that you can't work at another school. That's a rule of the MoL (or is it the MoE that runs the who for English teachers now? I forgot.) It's to make sure the government pockets your tax. Otherwise your second employer will probably claim your tax, and take it him/herself. AFAIK, only in Japan do you have the legal right to work at any job you want, once you get permission to work and reside there.
HTH! |
Ouch. So how do I work more than one job? Get a separate ARC for each job? |
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Anyone know about Kang Ning?
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Kang Ning English School is located in Chutung, a medium-sized town of 80,000 people in Hsinchu County, 20 minutes drive from Science Park and 70 minutes drive from the capital, Taipei. The school is a private language school established in 1986. It has two departments, the Language Department (LD) and Kindergarten Department (KD). There are thirteen full-time teachers and twelve full-time office staff. Nine of the teachers are from English Speaking Countries.
LD has more than 300 students mainly from primary, middle and high schools and some adults from the community in Chutung area.
KD has 30 students age from 3 to 6
The school provides modern facilities and well-developed curriculum.
Duties:
General - 40 hours per week, Mondays to Fridays. PTA & school performance once a semester
KD teachers � Teach a class of 15 to 18 children with a Chinese teacher
Work 8:00am to 5:00pm
LD teachers � Teach different classes of 10 to 18 students independently.
Work 1:00 pm to 9:30 pm
Requirements:
General: Dedicated professionals, one year commitment, native English speakers
LD teachers: BA degree, one-year school children teaching experience,
KD teachers: BA degree with working experience in Early Childhood/Elementary Education.
Benefits:
Monthly salary among the highest in private language schools, contract fulfilling bonus, free meals, health insurance, two weeks vacation plus national holidays, two sightseeing trips, airport pick-up |
Again, it's that utterly astonishing 40 hour week thing. Where are all the alleged 25 hour weeks? |
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Pop Fly
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Dude, 40 hours a week is usually a kindy contract. Contact (classroom) hours vary, but usually around 25 with the rest being for development, grading, reporting, etc...
BTW, that last post you asked about in Chew Tongue is a real hick town. You would be the only foreigner there.
You gotta relax man. Just get here. Get a place to rest your head first. There are tons of jobs in Taipei. Live in Taipei....it makes your first year easiest...get a comfy hostel room and then you and the missus gotta get out and find a place to live. This is infinitely harder than finding a job. I am interviewing teachers everyday and if I don't start them right away, they've found work already by the time I make an offer. Better to see a school, hell, do a two-day demo for your own piece of mind.
And relax.....you are getting them knickers so bunched up, future fortigurns are being squished beyond use.
DO NOT TAKE A JOB OVER THE INTERNET!!!! |
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Pop Fly, your posts make me literally LOL, honestly!
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| You gotta relax man. Just get here. Get a place to rest your head first. There are tons of jobs in Taipei. Live in Taipei....it makes your first year easiest...get a comfy hostel room and then you and the missus gotta get out and find a place to live. This is infinitely harder than finding a job. I am interviewing teachers everyday and if I don't start them right away, they've found work already by the time I make an offer. Better to see a school, hell, do a two-day demo for your own piece of mind. |
Ok, ok. So how do I know where to live if I don't know where I'm going to work? And how do I find out where to live?
It's all very well to say this:
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| DO NOT TAKE A JOB OVER THE INTERNET!!!! |
But I get nervous! I've already left my job, and I have a ticket to Taiwan for June 29, and I want to really hit the ground running. I would rather not get there and find that no one is recruiting until September. |
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Pop Fly
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, ok. So how do I know where to live if I don't know where I'm going to work? And how do I find out where to live?
It's all very well to say this:
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| DO NOT TAKE A JOB OVER THE INTERNET!!!! |
But I get nervous! I've already left my <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=job&v=56">job</a>, and I have a <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=ticket&v=56">ticket</a> to Taiwan for June 29, and I want to really hit the ground running. I would rather not get there and find that no one is recruiting until September. |
Well, at the risk of trotting out my asked and answered speech, live in Taipei. That takes care of that.
You have done the hard part, made the decision. Now go with the flow. One of the big lessons I am learning these days is; why worry about something you can do nothing about. You are coming here. There are jobs here. Lots. Count your blessings, you are coming with a partner, that makes things twice as easy. You effectively double my rent budget so can get a groovy pad...okay...a bigger concrete cubicle...but you can make it groovy...
There are here...but to satisfy your fretful soul, walk into the first place you see and apply for a ....I'll <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=bet&v=56">bet</a> you get it. I wouldn't take it, but that's me. I'd use a week to train myself in interview and negotiation techniques, but hey, that's been asked and answered many a as well. Don't make me beyatch slap you like I did old km there a few posts back....
Chill dude..........be more Canadian..... |
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