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Career Changer, looking to teach abroad.. advice pls.

 
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jamesb2014



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject: Career Changer, looking to teach abroad.. advice pls. Reply with quote

Hell all- new member, first time poster here....so thanks for reading. Before I get to my question, please let me lay out my personnel facts:

Ill be retiring from the military after 23 years (Ill be 43) and will have a monthly pension of about $2300 (after taxes)
Have an undergrad in business and a M Ed in Curriculum and Instruction (finishing that now)
6 years teaching experience with the last 3 years before separating in leadership and school management ...no teaching license though
TOEFL from San Diego State Univ (130 hours + teaching time)
Ive lived abroad in both Europe and SE Asia.. I have no problem adapting to new cultural.
Very active, fit, clean cut Caucasian male. Non married, no kids nor financial obligations. I generally interview pretty well.

Im looking to get into ESL mostly for the experience and adventure of it, and less so because of money...however this will be a long term thing for me so Id like to NOT have to cut into the pension too much. I wont have any debt so Id like to be able to ensure that the lifestyle and cultural experiences are quality. So , what Im interested in knowing is how my experience/ qualifications stack up compared to what countries are looking for and where should I focus my time looking (country wise). I dont have a preferences (yet), minus not going to the ME but Id like to jump from place to place with each new contact.

I hope Im not being too vague in my question here. If so please tell me and I will clarify.

Thanks everyone!
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: Career Changer, looking to teach abroad.. advice pls. Reply with quote

jamesb2014 wrote:
Hell all- new member, first time poster here....so thanks for reading. Before I get to my question, please let me lay out my personnel facts:

Ill be retiring from the military after 23 years (Ill be 43) and will have a monthly pension of about $2300 (after taxes)
Have an undergrad in business and a M Ed in Curriculum and Instruction (finishing that now)
6 years teaching experience with the last 3 years before separating in leadership and school management ...no teaching license though
TOEFL from San Diego State Univ (130 hours + teaching time)
Ive lived abroad in both Europe and SE Asia.. I have no problem adapting to new cultural.
Very active, fit, clean cut Caucasian male. Non married, no kids nor financial obligations. I generally interview pretty well.

Im looking to get into ESL mostly for the experience and adventure of it, and less so because of money...however this will be a long term thing for me so Id like to NOT have to cut into the pension too much. I wont have any debt so Id like to be able to ensure that the lifestyle and cultural experiences are quality. So , what Im interested in knowing is how my experience/ qualifications stack up compared to what countries are looking for and where should I focus my time looking (country wise). I dont have a preferences (yet), minus not going to the ME but Id like to jump from place to place with each new contact.

I hope Im not being too vague in my question here. If so please tell me and I will clarify.

Thanks everyone!


I could live off that pension. If you go to Asia you probably won't touch the pension - it all depends on your lifestyle of course.
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MuscatGary



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm assuming you're American so the EU is pretty much ruled out for you. With those qualifications why not try Korea or China?
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Career Changer, looking to teach abroad.. advice pls. Reply with quote

jamesb2014 wrote:
TOEFL from San Diego State Univ (130 hours + teaching time)

Thanks everyone!


It took you 130 hours to write the TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Language)?

Perhaps you mean a TEFL or TESOL cert?

jamesb2014 wrote:
Have an undergrad in business and a M Ed in Curriculum and Instruction (finishing that now)... 6 years teaching experience with the last 3 years before separating in leadership and school management ...

BUT
jamesb2014 wrote:
no teaching license though


This means you can work at the tertiary level (at least as a "guest lecturer") but properly accredited, international schools are off of the radar.

jamesb2014 wrote:
Im looking to get into ESL mostly for the experience and adventure of it, ...


And THIS means that every time you "jump" you lose just about everything and return to the bottom of the ladder again.

jamesb2014 wrote:
I wont have any debt so Id like to be able to ensure that the lifestyle and cultural experiences are quality.


Quality lifestyle/experience and EFL in the same idea/breath ... You must be an American... rude shocks await.

jamesb2014 wrote:
So , what Im interested in knowing is how my experience/ qualifications stack up compared to what countries are looking for and where should I focus my time looking (country wise).


IF you are indeed (North) American then your only real options are Asia, Latin America and eastern Europe. Western Europe has visa issues.

With a degree, TEFL cert and post grad (M.Ed) you are at the top of the "unlicensed" pile but that is still pretty far down the ladder.

Korea, China are the easiest for you to get work in and both have decent remuneration packages available.

Most of SE Asia (the ASEAN block with the exception of Brunei) are also options but you need to be aware that they tend to "eat" vets and spit out the remnants. Places like "Clark" and "Pattaya", are littered with retired "vets".
(something about the transition to civy life and being abroad).

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jamesb2014



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 2:13 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thanks everyone so far... to answer the questions. Yes, American and yes I meant the cert program.

What I meant by lifestyle and experience is more about the experience living in the culture... not that Im needing a fancy life. I have lived abroad in Spain, Greece and Japan for many many years, and so I believe Ill have little issue adjust or getting 'spit out'.

I was under the impression after weeks of reading here and elsewhere that being licensed is mostly useful if Im wanting Univ work?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOEFL is a test of English language skill for non-native speakers.

Licensed teachers are required for international schools. Universities usually don't care -they are looking for the MA+.

Western Europe is not an option for an American citizen (as others have posted).


suphanburi is correct that the better positions in EFL go to teachers with local contacts and reputations. Jumping from one place to another ensures that you will remain at entry level, with the 'worst' gigs, schedules, and pay.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching licenses are usually for those teaching at international schools.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamesb2014 wrote:
I was under the impression after weeks of reading here and elsewhere that being licensed is mostly useful if Im wanting Univ work?

It's the opposite. Generally, a teaching license is required to teach content relevant to the teacher's degree major (e.g, subjects like history, social science, math, language arts, etc.) to students in k-12 public schools, US DoDEA schools, or in private international schools abroad. English is the language of instruction at many international schools---some of which have need of (licensed or unlicensed) ESOL teachers while many others don't because the students themselves are native English speakers (my childhood situation when we were stationed in Taiwan). Anyway, your academic credentials and interests are in teaching adult learners, so no need to concern yourself with obtaining additional qualifications.

By the way, congrats on your upcoming retirement at such a young age. My dad put it 31 years with the Army but decided to stay put in the US in terms of civilian work opportunities, plus, my mother was content to end nearly 14 years of living abroad. Although he still had that itch for the "overseas" lifestyle, I'm the one family member who's continued along that path with my career in TEFL. In your case, you'll need to find the right teaching situation that offers a fair amount of time off for traveling/exploring as well as consistent, long-term work (longer than one year) so you don't end up looking like a short timer. I agree that Asia would be a good place to start.
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Neutrino Girl



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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you decide eventually to include the ME in your search, you could probably land a nice job with ADEC in the UAE. They hire people specifically for curriculum design and pay very, very well and offer great benefits / lots of time off.
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