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jammex88



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 7:35 pm    Post subject: job offer, business visa Reply with quote
Got an offer to start "immediately" and the offer says business visa. I asked about this and he said it is to bring me over quicker. It is my understanding you cannot work on SA on a business visa, but is this not enforced?

The company is IILSA.COM, btw.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Use the "SEARCH" function on this forum.
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lcanupp1964



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I see that the pimps are hunting for some more fresh, tasty teacher-meat.

"Come on honey bunny. It will be nice. You'll meet our client and he will take you by the hand and escort you to the bedroom - Opps! Ha, Ha. I mean the classroom. Just lie down and take it like a true ESL professional".

Don't do it. Don't drink the Kool-Aid and think it will different.

They can't get you the proper legal status for employement, so they will say anything to get you over here. Business visas are for people wanting to conduct business (salespeople, guest lecturers) in the Kingdom for a short time.

And yes... please do a simple search on the subject of business visas and hopefully you can see how things really are (if you are able to take off your rose tinted glasses). Good luck.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: job offer, business visa Reply with quote
jammex88 wrote:
It is my understanding you cannot work on SA on a business visa, but is this not enforced?

Last year, the Jawazat conducted random and scheduled checks for iqamas, so you'd be taking a gamble.
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jammex88



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
lcanupp1964 wrote:
I see that the pimps are hunting for some more fresh, tasty teacher-meat.

"Come on honey bunny. It will be nice. You'll meet our client and he will take you by the hand and escort you to the bedroom - Opps! Ha, Ha. I mean the classroom. Just lie down and take it like a true ESL professional".

Don't do it. Don't drink the Kool-Aid and think it will different.

They can't get you the proper legal status for employement, so they will say anything to get you over here. Business visas are for people wanting to conduct business (salespeople, guest lecturers) in the Kingdom for a short time.

And yes... please do a simple search on the subject of business visas and hopefully you can see how things really are (if you are able to take off your rose tinted glasses). Good luck.


If I had rose tinted glasses on I would just take the offer without inquiring. You ask a simple question in this forum and these are the typical responses you get.

Btw, I did search business visa in this forum but couldn't quite find a response to my question, or the employer, and that is why I posted the question.
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lcanupp1964



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You are not trying hard enough. There are countless threads on the subject. BTW, did you noticed that I used the word, "if" in my comment about the glasses? If you are going to get bent out of shape and over react on something so small as my use of a conditional, you are in for an awakening once you get over here. I even wished you good luck. Gee, some people. Razz
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jammex88 wrote:
I did search business visa in this forum but couldn't quite find a response to my question, or the employer, and that is why I posted the question.

What's not enforced one day, could be enforced the next.

The question you should be asking yourself is why you'd want to work for a company that relies on improper visas for workers and thus, puts them at risk. Also, be aware this sponsor/company can't even be considered your "employer" since a business visit visa doesn't grant the holder the right to employment in the Kingdom.

Anyway...

"Saudis Crack Down on Foreign Workers"
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=101325

"Business Visas vs Iqamas"
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=102855

And this relevant gem of a thread:
"K A Uni (ELI) or Education Experts (King Saud Uni) or ICEAT" http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=106153
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jammex88



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks, I read through those forums, but the last posts were a year ago or more. I definitely have reservations about that situation but I am just curious how egregious it is considered.

The reasons I am considering it is that it is much quicker and I can get an idea of whether or not I want to work long term there. It would suck to go through the mountain of paperwork, time, hassle required to get a work visa, only to discover upon arrival that I cannot or do not want to live in SA.

And, lots of countries generally look the other way unless you are taking a job away from a citizen (which is of course not the case here). I don't know if SA is one of those countries or not.
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