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jamesmollo



Joined: 26 Apr 2007
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Location: jilin china

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: New horizon jilin beware!!!! Reply with quote

I am writing this article on behalf of the experiences of a good friend and 5 others that had the unfortunate experience of working for this school.

If you are contacted by this school or happen to stop by, beware. The owner 'Michael' is an evil man.
But I speak of now a much more sinister move by Michael. A good friend of mine who worked there for a second year, along with his wife. He was well respected by students and colleagues alike.

After completing his second contract he set up his own school, in the same city. All fees, rent,certification were paid and he was all ready to start his small business. Bear in mind here that New horizon has 12 branches and over 10,000 students on it's payroll, as well as a new venture in beijing and cooperation with schools in Australia.

Michael wrote a letter to the government and bribed some officials there stating that this man and his family are religious fanatics, teach sexual ed to kids and are an enemy of China. He and his family, including a 3 year old had to leave the country at once.

He lost over 100,000 in investment for this venture and can never return. somehow the *beep* procured finger printed statements from various parents to back up his story.

So I felt it my responsibility to share this news with you all. Beware of new horizon, jilin city and it's *beep* sons.
James
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shoo-fly-pie



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing this story with us. I suspect this type of thing goes on much more than we could possibly know; not only against foreigners (a favorite target) but for Chinese business persons as well. Underhanded (and downright evil, as the OPs post attests) competitive practices are rampant.
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Totemic



Joined: 05 Feb 2009
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Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: New horizon jilin beware!!!! Reply with quote

jamesmollo wrote:
I am writing this article on behalf of the experiences of a good friend and 5 others that had the unfortunate experience of working for this school... The owner 'Michael' is an evil man.


LOL didn't need to read any more.

Be careful out there, kids! Laughing
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evaforsure



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just a small question.. where was the "offending" school located in Jilin...and why would parents of those who admired him finger print statements against him....is this a case of ungrateful parents taking advantage of a foreign business man and gaining some kind of bribe for false statements...is this a case of a non compete clause....it would be informative for others who want to start a school in a city to learn about the pitfalls...
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jamesmollo



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:44 am    Post subject: new horizon Reply with quote

The fingerprinted documents supporting this lie were purchased through bribery to a high ranking official.

The person who was effected by this trikery also obtained statements from over 20 parents and students, but by then it was too late to deflect the damage allready done. He could not obtain an r.p.f and had to leave the country as a result.

I'm not sure of the ammount of money and guanxi involved. But for sure it can be done by certain people who want to destroy any competition, however small.
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deputamadre



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

evaforsure wrote:
just a small question.. where was the "offending" school located in Jilin..


Pretty sure it's in Jilin, Jilin. New Horizon has a bunch of branches throughout the city with the biggest one at Da Dong Men on Jiefang Da Lu.
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evaforsure



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually askin bout the couples school...
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Tom Riggle



Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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Location: Jilin, China

PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:34 pm    Post subject: I finished a year at New Horizons Reply with quote

I just finished a year at this so-called "evil" school and, I have to say that my experience was different. I can't help but wonder if the first person had an ax to grind. I had met with Michael several times and always found him to be personable and helpful. On an occasion or two he asked me for help on the finer points on English syntax.

I know that people present different sides to different people, but I still felt that perhaps he - and the school - were being unfairly cast.

Having said that, I did have a problem with another individual (who now, thankfully, no longer works there). I believed that Michael, at best, made a mistake in hiring him, seeing that he did not have the skills required for the position. His lack of detail skills, and lack of people skills (and thee are all things I told him personally), cost my wife and I much money. I wouldn't call this guy "evil" either, just not the man for the job he had.

Overall (besides the above caveat) I had an excellent time with New Horizons in Jilin. I made many good friends there. They were true to the contracts. They gave me my bonus. I have no complaints.

Like everything on the Internet, we need to not base our job decisions on just one post or just one web page.

deputamadre wrote:
evaforsure wrote:
just a small question.. where was the "offending" school located in Jilin..


Pretty sure it's in Jilin, Jilin. New Horizon has a bunch of branches throughout the city with the biggest one at Da Dong Men on Jiefang Da Lu.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a four year old thread about the owner of the school sticking it to a teacher who left to start his own school.

It said nothing about the conditions of the job being bad.

In fact your story and that of the OP could both be true, or they could both be false. Or a combination thereof.
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Tom Riggle



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wangdaning wrote:
This is a four year old thread about the owner of the school sticking it to a teacher who left to start his own school.

It said nothing about the conditions of the job being bad.

In fact your story and that of the OP could both be true, or they could both be false. Or a combination thereof.


Oh good grief, it certainly does have to do with job conditions. You don't think the purported character of the owner affects the school?

Yes, I know. I read the date. But the owner of the school is still there, so it is still current. Likewise they are still recruiting teachers so it is very much a current issue. Having been wrongly smeared before myself, I thought it would be worthwhile to give a little more information here.

First-hand information. Do with it what you want.
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Javelin of Radiance



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see why people get worked up about reviving old threads. Whenever someone starts a topic that's been done many times the first response is usually "DId you do a search?" if you did that then you'd be looking at and possibly reviving an old thread.
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh good grief, it certainly does have to do with job conditions. You don't think the purported character of the owner affects the school?


The question would be does it effect working enviroment. From the indication of the post above in favor of this school's working enviroment seems to indicate that his "character" at least to one poster/employee was "ok". How he deals with business is a totally another issue.
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Tom Riggle



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NoBillyNO wrote:
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Oh good grief, it certainly does have to do with job conditions. You don't think the purported character of the owner affects the school?


The question would be does it effect working enviroment. From the indication of the post above in favor of this school's working enviroment seems to indicate that his "character" at least to one poster/employee was "ok". How he deals with business is a totally another issue.


Well, yes and no. Bad character is not OK. But I am not able to discern the whole story here.

And neither is the first poster who, you will notice, speaks on behalf of someone he knew (= anecdotal).
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Javelin of Radiance



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Riggle wrote:
Well, yes and no. Bad character is not OK. But I am not able to discern the whole story here.

And neither is the first poster who, you will notice, speaks on behalf of someone he knew (= anecdotal).

I never noticed that, thanks for pointing it out. Why someone would post on behalf of their friends is weird and a bit suspect I'd tell them to join the forum and tell their own story.
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Bad character is not OK



Bad "Character" is subjective so it would only be of value to those who share your expectations.
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