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overdrive808
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 Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:39 am Post subject: Working Overtime |
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Is it possible to maximise your earnings by opting to work 7 days/ 12 hour shifts?
What institutions allow you to do this? Is it common?
When I was working in Istanbul, I did this at a language academy for 4 months. It nearly killed me, but it achieved its purpose (a decent amount of money in a short period of time)
I have since been promoted and no longer in Istanbul. I am now on half of that money... but I would like to clear my debts back at home in the space of one year.
Any suggestions? Or should I be looking at Korea or Taiwan? |
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SledgeCleaver
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I think there's a Village People song that deals with your question. Or was it Bachman-Turner Overdrive?
Also, be careful mentioning the Kimchi peninsula - it is STRENG VERBOTEN in these parts. |
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overdrive808
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| SledgeCleaver wrote: |
I think there's a Village People song that deals with your question. Or was it Bachman-Turner Overdrive?
Also, be careful mentioning the Kimchi peninsula - it is STRENG VERBOTEN in these parts. |
Thanks SledgeCleaver! |
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doogsville
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I doubt if you could do that much overtime in China, either in a language mill or a university, since both will have fairly fixed hours and enough teachers to cover them. It's fairly common practice however to either have a second job, or to teach privates in your free time, or both. I know of at least one teacher in my city who was teaching for 40 hours a week a year ago at three different jobs. He's cut back a lot since, but drives a nice car, owns his own apartment, and has a decent nest egg. I know of two or three teachers who work in a language mill at the weekends and three evenings a week, and work in a kindergarten on weekday mornings. Personally I need at least one day a week when I don't teach, plan what I'm going to teach, or think about teaching. The last one is hard not to do though.
One thing worth mentioning is that there has been a lot of talk recently in China about the government cracking down on people working for companies other than the one that sponsors their work permit, and also paying closer attention to foreign teachers taxable income, and whether the tax is actually being paid on said income. I've not had any personal experience of those things, but it's come up on this and other forums from time to time. |
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hilena_westb
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Working Overtime |
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| overdrive808 wrote: |
Is it possible to maximise your earnings by opting to work 7 days/ 12 hour shifts?
What institutions allow you to do this? Is it common?
When I was working in Istanbul, I did this at a language academy for 4 months. It nearly killed me, but it achieved its purpose (a decent amount of money in a short period of time)
I have since been promoted and no longer in Istanbul. I am now on half of that money... but I would like to clear my debts back at home in the space of one year.
Any suggestions? Or should I be looking at Korea or Taiwan? |
First, it makes no sense.
Second, China doesn't allow such hours in schools.
Third, you can make significantly more money back home. Why not go there? What prevents you from working in your own country?
Fishy. |
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xiguagua
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| The only way you could really work those kind of insane hours is if you found a crazy busy and short staffed training center, or had several part time jobs. Maybe i'm lazy......but I have no idea why you'd wanna work 80+ hour work weeks, plus additional prep time. Gross. |
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GreatApe
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First, it makes no sense.
Second, China doesn't allow such hours in schools.
Third, you can make significantly more money back home. Why not go there? What prevents you from working in your own country? |
Fourth, take much of what some posters on Dave's post with regard to your sincere inquiries in the spirit in which they are offered. They will not be helpful, useful or very polite. They will, however be drivin' by a very clear agenda. There is a specific list of adjectives and words to describe these types of people, but let's not go into that here and now.
Fifth, realize that no matter where you go --on the Internet or to another country-- some people are not very kind or intelligent. That's just the way life is.
Good Luck!
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overdrive808
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| GreatApe wrote: |
hilena_westb wrote:
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First, it makes no sense.
Second, China doesn't allow such hours in schools.
Third, you can make significantly more money back home. Why not go there? What prevents you from working in your own country? |
Fourth, take much of what some posters on Dave's post with regard to your sincere inquiries in the spirit in which they are offered. They will not be helpful, useful or very polite. They will, however be drivin' by a very clear agenda. There is a specific list of adjectives and words to describe these types of people, but let's not go into that here and now.
Fifth, realize that no matter where you go --on the Internet or to another country-- some people are not very kind or intelligent. That's just the way life is.
Good Luck!
--GA |
Thank you - I gave up on the forum when I saw the earlier post. Makes you wonder.
If anyone is curious, yes, it is possible to work two full-time jobs. My partner and I put away 60K a year, something we couldn't do back on home on entry-level wages and an Australian cost of living.
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Working Overtime |
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| hilena_westb wrote: |
| overdrive808 wrote: |
Is it possible to maximise your earnings by opting to work 7 days/ 12 hour shifts?
What institutions allow you to do this? Is it common?
When I was working in Istanbul, I did this at a language academy for 4 months. It nearly killed me, but it achieved its purpose (a decent amount of money in a short period of time)
I have since been promoted and no longer in Istanbul. I am now on half of that money... but I would like to clear my debts back at home in the space of one year.
Any suggestions? Or should I be looking at Korea or Taiwan? |
First, it makes no sense.
Second, China doesn't allow such hours in schools.
Third, you can make significantly more money back home. Why not go there? What prevents you from working in your own country?
Fishy. |
First yes it does.
Second yes some places will do it.
Third the cost of living in China can be much lower if u live like a local. |
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jimpellow
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| Personally I think South Korea is a much better place to save money. Salaries tend to be much higher than the cost of living and the currency exchanges better than the artificially low RMB. Plus teachers I have met who worked there say there are tutoring opportunities galore. Taiwan is not considered a very lucrative destination as it once was, nor is Japan as you probably know. If I were to teach in China again with the intent of maximizing earnings I would go back to teaching subjects in high school prep class in a city like Qingdao or Dalian. Good salaries and lots of time off. Then I would make contacts with the sizable Korean and Japanese communities there. They will pay you well and before long you will have more work than you could ever possibly want. |
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Non Sequitur
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Jim:
Are the Dalian and Qingdao prep schools able to get you a Z? |
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Larry Legend
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:05 am Post subject: Re: Working Overtime |
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[quote="hilena_westb"]
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Third, you can make significantly more money back home. Why not go there? What prevents you from working in your own country?
Fishy. |
You don't know what you're talking about. |
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Non Sequitur
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'hilena' is a recurring troll.
She has usages that are easy to spot as she transitions from one alias to another. |
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jimpellow
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Jim:
Are the Dalian and Qingdao prep schools able to get you a Z? |
Of course! We are talking programs running in high schools having enough eyes on them that they would generally have to play above board on everything.
Having said that these programs can be lucrative for the schools and people running them, so being China you are seeing increasing amounts of scam artists trying to cash in on them. I just read a thread on another board about a new program where the program was the ultimate joke and teachers got screwed, and in one case deported as the FAO never bothered to get their RPs processed in time. This apparently because she apparently doesn't like foreigners. So as with everything in China, buyer beware.
I have never been to Dalian, though knew some teachers who had worked there several years who said it could be very lucrative for tutoring and latching on to Korean and Japanese schools part time. I spent a month in Qingdao while waiting for a new job to start because I loved it. Met my fair share of teachers and other East Asians and saw there was definitely opportunity. They also have Japanese and Korean only schools there which seemed to a fair amount of time to be prep programs too. Money seemed very good though a lot of hours and you may be working for Koreans. Yech!
So there seem to be two types of prep programs in these areas with lots of East Asians, both of which are legitimate and should be able to provide a Z-visa.
One teacher in my last Chinese prep program in Jiangsu got stuck in some small hellhole on the coast infested with Koreans. Almost every night she would go to some family's home and watch a movie with them, shoot the s*** and get fed to death and walk out with 900RMB. And she was always approached on the street and asked if she was her teacher, never looked for it.
So long answer to a short question, but I wanted to expand my explanation to the OP as to why exploring this option might be best for him if he decides China. |
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Non Sequitur
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Thanks Jim
I've worked in both Dalian (2yrs) and Qingdao (1yr) and would return to either - espec Qingdao.
There are sizeable ethnic Korean groups in both places and numerous Korean eateries.
My problem is age for visa and when I see 'special programme' I get thinking that a Korean school may get more flexibility from the visa office.
Any specific links please pass on.
Best
NS |
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