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ozziaj



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:39 am    Post subject: Jiangsu Ahead Education Reply with quote

I'm thinking of applying for a teaching position with Jiangsu Ahead Education in Nanjing (Jiangsu). They run a number of foundation programs for the University of New South Wales (Sydney) in various locations around China.

Has someone had any experience with them? Any positives / negatives that I should consider? How reliable are they? How good is there support? What about their program managers? They do seem to advertise rather too frequently; so, how about teacher retention rates?

Somewhere (can't remember where) I read that some years ago this company also used to be called Coachiva and had somewhat of a dubious reputation.

Can't seem to find much info on Jiangsu Ahead Education anywhere else online.

All help and advice would be much appreciated.
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peewee1979



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Location: Once in China was enough. Burned and robbed by Delter and watching others get cheated was enough.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to them several times. Their return communication is horrible and the locations they want you to live in are pretty remote - usually high schools in the country
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ozziaj



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peewee1979 wrote:
I spoke to them several times. Their return communication is horrible and the locations they want you to live in are pretty remote - usually high schools in the country

Thanks peewee1979. Yes, I did notice their communication issues as well. Hell, I first replied to their ad back in early August and they didn't get back to me until two months later! Though I figured that's just the Chinese way of doing things ....

Not sure about the location issue you mentioned. Seems to me the schools they deal with are all in or very close to major city centers.

Anyway, I had a phone chat with them recently. It does appear they are primarily a company that provide average Chinese students (those that are dumb enough not to pass entry exams to proper Chinese high-schools) with a chance to go to uni overseas (US & Oz). This might well mean that students will come from wealthy families and are not too bothered about studying & learning ...

In other words, this seems to be just another company feeding overseas unis with average to below average kids so they can get some sort of degree before returning to China and join the unemployed (or get married rich, in the case of girls) ....

Decided to look elsewhere for now ...
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peewee1979



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are not Chinese. Aussies and Brits. One would figure they would have higher standards and business practices
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peewee1979 wrote:
They are not Chinese. Aussies and Brits. One would figure they would have higher standards and business practices


Some friends of mine worked for a company in Nanjing called JESIE (Jiangsu Education Services for International Exchange) and IUP, that is managed by Aussies and Brits.
My friends were screwed over by JESIE worse than I have ever known any Chinese company to screw over FT's.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know quite a few people who work or have worked for JESIE. I worked at the same facility, but not for JESIE. It seemed that they were worked pretty hard, but they didn't seem too unhappy. They haven't changed their wages in years (8k a month). If you get on the boss' bad side, you get shipped to the remote campus. It's basically an Accounting Prep program they offer. I really liked the teachers who worked there. It seems that their students weren't the best. The school is legit in terms of RPs and FECs. I got the impression it was a so-so place to work. Most teachers did privates on the side. The school is across the street from Skyways, which isn't too shabby. If you're a certified teacher back home, Grand Canadian would be a much better choice in Nanjing.

RED
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lobster wrote:
The school is legit in terms of RPs and FECs.

RED


My friends were not provided with RP's or FEC's. Two of my friends were brought in on tourist visas, and were lied to and deceived for almost a year as they were kept on tourist visas before leaving JESIE due to finding better jobs.

The visa runs every 3 months to Hong Kong were never reimbursed as promised by JESIE, and JESIE even tried to scam them out of holiday pay.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very strange, as they have strong government connections and should be able to process the work documents no problem. Doesn't sound like your friends had a very good experience there.

RED
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ozziaj



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peewee1979 wrote:
They are not Chinese. Aussies and Brits. One would figure they would have higher standards and business practices

Jiangsu Ahead Education in Nanjing is definitely Chinese owned. See here:
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http://www.ahead-edu.com/html/en/index.html

And here for an overview:
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http://www.bestjobsau.com/bt-empd-nanjingahead.htm


BTW, JESIE is a totally different outfit altogether. Wouldn't touch them; a mate of mine worked there for a while a couple of years back and got screwed (loads of work, evening classes, late salaries, visa & w/p issues, shitty 'apartment') eventually jumping ship.
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shadowrider



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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ozziaj wrote:
peewee1979 wrote:
They are not Chinese. Aussies and Brits. One would figure they would have higher standards and business practices

Jiangsu Ahead Education in Nanjing is definitely Chinese owned. See here:
Code:
http://www.ahead-edu.com/html/en/index.html

And here for an overview:
Code:
http://www.bestjobsau.com/bt-empd-nanjingahead.htm


BTW, JESIE is a totally different outfit altogether. Wouldn't touch them; a mate of mine worked there for a while a couple of years back and got screwed (loads of work, evening classes, late salaries, visa & w/p issues, shitty 'apartment') eventually jumping ship.


SCAM. AVOID THEM. They don't offer a SAFEA contract and they will change your contract before you arrive in China. The one your sign originally is just the get the Z-visa. Avoid sweet talking Dr. Ken Smith, an American. What he will tell you and when happens upon arrival in China are two different things. They were on probation this year as they violated Australian and Chinese employment law.
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kiwiinksa



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:27 am    Post subject: Are there any more recent experiences with these guys? Reply with quote

I am currently employed in Nanjing - through CoAchiva - and on my second visa run to Hong Kong next week. I'm confident I have the correct paperwork to get a Z visa . . . but still waiting to have any of my airfares reimbursed.

I expect they'll easily identify me from this - but given their ties to Australia, and my determination to stop this sort of carry-on I'll wear the consequences should they eventuate.
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kiwiinksa



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:47 pm    Post subject: What a joke! Reply with quote

I just wrote a long post about the incompetence and third world conditions of Xi'an and Ahead Education.

Then the internet crashed for the 40th or 50th time tonight.

These people are incompetent fools - Xi'an is a backwards third world city.

Suellen and Christina talk a great game. They have to - they can't get teachers.

AVOID THESE IDIOTS AT ALL COSTS.

I'd write more but the internet is due to crash again any second.
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: What a joke! Reply with quote

kiwiinksa wrote:
I just wrote a long post about the incompetence and third world conditions of Xi'an and Ahead Education.

Then the internet crashed for the 40th or 50th time tonight.

These people are incompetent fools - Xi'an is a backwards third world city.

Suellen and Christina talk a great game. They have to - they can't get teachers.

AVOID THESE IDIOTS AT ALL COSTS.

I'd write more but the internet is due to crash again any second.


I'm not sure vilifying a whole city (Xi'an) is a good idea, especially as many foreigners like the city.

However, if you want to expand on your reasoning then you could write out your grievances in a word document then paste it onto the boards here.
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shaka



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I figured I should bump this in search of more recent opinions about Ahead, as I'm considering a position similar to the one outlined in the OP.

The only (possibly) odd thing I've seen in my discussions with them is how Ahead says they'll pay my salary instead of the public school I'll work at. I'm not sure how out of the ordinary that is, though.
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water rat



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Jiangsu Ahead Education Reply with quote

ozziaj wrote:
I'm thinking of applying for a teaching position with Jiangsu Ahead Education in Nanjing (Jiangsu). They run a number of foundation programs for the University of New South Wales (Sydney) in various locations around China. Somewhere (can't remember where) I read that some years ago this company also used to be called Coachiva and had somewhat of a dubious reputation.
That's enough right there to raise the old red flags. I have nothing against Australia (I like Aussies, I really do) but 'New South Wales-based education has become as fishy as Middle Eastern Ministries of Education that for some strange reason use domains in Tuvalu. (Now why would a UAE government department of education be on a Pacific atoll? Riddle me that!)

Follow your heart, and your brain, Young Skywalker.
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