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SheikMilkShake



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:09 am    Post subject: TEFL course Reply with quote

Hello
Can anyone kindly provide a TEFL certificate course in Thailand?
I would appreciate If I could get the contact info of all places that offer the course, if you have attended one. I heard that the course takes 4 weeks , the fees includes accommodation charge and course fees. If I could get a webpage or any contact info, I will contact or check out myself via email.
Thanks
Have a great day
PS. WIll I need to get a student visa for the course?
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EFL Educator



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you will need a student visa to enter Thaiiland to take the TEFL course...without one you might be deported. There are countless TEFL course providers in the Land of Smiles...it's like going on a tourist shopping spree. Good luck in your choice! Smile
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plumpy nut



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure that the course is a 120 hr. TEFL course with quite a few hours of contact teaching. It should be accredited or connected to some western university, with that university offering graduate credit for the course (of course for a little bit more money Laughing )
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bansheebeat



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:45 am    Post subject: Re: TEFL course Reply with quote

SheikMilkShake wrote:
Hello
Can anyone kindly provide a TEFL certificate course in Thailand?
I would appreciate If I could get the contact info of all places that offer the course, if you have attended one. I heard that the course takes 4 weeks , the fees includes accommodation charge and course fees. If I could get a webpage or any contact info, I will contact or check out myself via email.
Thanks
Have a great day
PS. WIll I need to get a student visa for the course?


I recommend CELTA or Trinity. Both offer full packages like you mention. Also those are your two best bets in regards to name recognition worldwide.

No, you will not need a student visa. Just a 60 day tourist visa will do. After the course you will (hopefully) find a job and then switch to a non imm b visa.
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EFL Educator



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully when your TEFL course is completed you will find a job teaching English in the Land of SMILES ....expect a full starting salary package between Baht 25,000 - Baht 35,000 a month. Good luck! Very Happy Very Happy
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SheikMilkShake



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,
Thanks for your replies.
I have done TESOL diploma a while ago ( years ago). Just wondering if I should take a studying holiday, updating my memory on latest jargons and methodology and also to have a recent updated certificate. I used to work in Thailand, salary was as you mentioned 30,000 -35,000 Bahts plus accommodation ( own F/F apartment) and daily transportation. It was in 2005-6.
If I booked a course, the training person would give me info and arrange a paperwork for visa, and as you have mentioned, I would opt for a safer route with all those new laws and regulation changes. Thailand is one of my all-time fav destinations and amazing people there.

I just need to know how much it would cost to do this course these days and the most popular training premises, if any of you have attended.
OR
Any other destination?
Cheers!
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bansheebeat



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SheikMilkShake wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for your replies.
I have done TESOL diploma a while ago ( years ago). Just wondering if I should take a studying holiday, updating my memory on latest jargons and methodology and also to have a recent updated certificate. I used to work in Thailand, salary was as you mentioned 30,000 -35,000 Bahts plus accommodation ( own F/F apartment) and daily transportation. It was in 2005-6.
If I booked a course, the training person would give me info and arrange a paperwork for visa, and as you have mentioned, I would opt for a safer route with all those new laws and regulation changes. Thailand is one of my all-time fav destinations and amazing people there.

I just need to know how much it would cost to do this course these days and the most popular training premises, if any of you have attended.
OR
Any other destination?
Cheers!


bansheebeat wrote:
I recommend CELTA or Trinity. Both offer full packages like you mention. Also those are your two best bets in regards to name recognition worldwide.



Good luck finding a TEFL course that will provide you a visa... I'm almost 100% positive that 4 week TEFL courses don't privde ED visas.
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EFL Educator



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful with TEFL course providers in the Land of Smiles..most of them will be happy to just take your money and not help you find a job. TEFL jobs in Thailand are plenty...average TEFL .pay has gone down recently due to the very strict Thai visa rules so expect to earn about Baht 25,000/Monthly average pay in most places. Even in Bangkok I have noticed more Indians and Filipinos teaching Englsih at government schools. Good luck! Smile
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SheikMilkShake



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="EFL Educator"]Be careful with TEFL course providers in the Land of Smiles..most of them will be happy to just take your money and not help you find a job. TEFL jobs in Thailand are plenty...average TEFL .pay has gone down recently due to the very strict Thai visa rules so expect to earn about Baht 25,000/Monthly average pay in most places. Even in Bangkok I have noticed more Indians and Filipinos teaching Englsih at government schools. Good luck! Smile[/quote]

Thanks for the info and reply.
I doubt I would be working for 25,000 a month as my "working holiday" days are well over.
Now I just want to say " Time is money, If you got the money, I got the time".
This is one negative thing we used to deal with, on a daily basis. These Indians and Filipinos always gossiped and seemed to have a resentful feeling towards us on the salary difference. In my days, I pocketed 35000 per month and an apartment was provided by the school or a university ( I didn't meet any non N/S at universities). But they said that they did not get a housing allowance nor a free housing. The monthly salary for them was as low as 5000-7000 Bahts. Do you know if their salaries have increased since then?
I think demand for Non N/S must be increased due to their economic and political instability. Non NS teachers sometimes do better jobs and accept more contact hours.
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EFL Educator



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes non native English ESL teachers are getting paid much better than before when you were here. Indians average Baht 15,000,/month while Filipinos average Baht 20,000 to - Baht 25,000 Monthly teaching English at Thai schools. Again due to the new stringent Thai visa rues salaries on offer for native English have decreased recently as more ASEAN (non-native) EFL teachers are coming here to teach English. Shocked
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP:

From your writing it appears as though you too may be a NNS (and may not hold a passport from one of the "approved 6" NES countries).

IF that is indeed the case then you can add a TOEIC as a requirement for your non-b visa. (currently the required score is 600 but there is rumor that it will be increased to 700). An IELTS (band 5.5) will also suffice.

It is also worthy to note that under the new rules, if you plan to stay for more than a couple of years, you will need a teacher qualification/certification (degree+Dip.Ed, B.Ed, degree+PGCE, valid teacher's license from abroad) for work below the tertiary level.

It is not like it was in 2006. The rules are changing fast and soon those rules may be as tight as S.Korea with the only exception being that they allow NNES to be teachers (where Korea does not).

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adaruby



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

suphanburi wrote:
OP:


It is also worthy to note that under the new rules, if you plan to stay for more than a couple of years, you will need a teacher qualification/certification (degree+Dip.Ed, B.Ed, degree+PGCE, valid teacher's license from abroad) for work below the tertiary level.



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So, under the new rules, a degree plus CELTA won't be sufficient for those who plan to stay longer than a year or two?
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adaruby wrote:
suphanburi wrote:
OP:


It is also worthy to note that under the new rules, if you plan to stay for more than a couple of years, you will need a teacher qualification/certification (degree+Dip.Ed, B.Ed, degree+PGCE, valid teacher's license from abroad) for work below the tertiary level.



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So, under the new rules, a degree plus CELTA won't be sufficient for those who plan to stay longer than a year or two?


Teacher's license within 4 years or out you go (exception being a Thai wife so you can work under the table but you will need a decent bank account for the visa and extensions).

Under the rules that are currently in place, a 2 year waiver to allow the school to hire an unlicensed teacher is granted for new teachers.
Professional development gets you another 2 year waiver.
After that, unless you are well along the way to licensure, all bets are off.

It is very possible that either one of: valid teacher's license, a B.Ed, degree+Dip.Ed, PGCE/PGDE or M.Ed may be the requirement in the very near future (if the current crop of appointees get their way).

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adaruby



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="suphanburi"]
adaruby wrote:
suphanburi wrote:
OP:


It is also worthy to note that under the new rules, if you plan to stay for more than a couple of years, you will need a teacher qualification/certification (degree+Dip.Ed, B.Ed, degree+PGCE, valid teacher's license from abroad) for work below the tertiary level.



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It is very possible that either one of: valid teacher's license, a B.Ed, degree+Dip.Ed, PGCE/PGDE or M.Ed may be the requirement in the very near future (if the current crop of appointees get their way).

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Obviously, those who have QTS in their own countries will be banging down the door to work for THB35k a month in a Thai language factory.

I really shouldn’t try to understand Thai logic at the highest levels of government, but they’re going from the current situation where virtually any man and his dog can find some kind of ‘teaching’ job in Thailand, to a scenario where people with the required qualifications to teach EFL will be told they’re not welcome.

Seemingly, they also don't understand that teaching EFL requires different skills to those used when teaching English to native speakers, do they?
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether they do or not is not relevant.
The decisions were made.
The writing is on the wall.

Your options are to either: comply, move along or work at the edges.
Pick one.

The arguments about shortages of teachers due to excessive qualification demand is long since done and done away with. That song was sung in Japan, Korea and Taiwan and all 3 have an excess of "teachers".

Welcome to AEC 2015.

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