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robinbanks
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:04 am Post subject: All dressed up and nowhere to go-too old? |
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A contact of mine in the UK tells me a lot of institutions will be in big trouble staffwise this semester as they are having to turn down many people-mainly,but not exclusively males-because The Kingdom is not issuing work visas to those over 6o0Does anyone have first hand experience of this? |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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The cut-off for recruitment has been 60 (sometimes 5 for a while. Nothing new there. Some outfits will let you stay on after that age. One of my friends has just left KFUPM at the age of 80 ! |
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The Fifth Column

Joined: 11 Jun 2014 Posts: 331 Location: His habitude with lexical items protrudes not unlike a damaged pollex!!!
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
The cut-off for recruitment has been 60 (sometimes 5 for a while. Nothing new there. Some outfits will let you stay on after that age. One of my friends has just left KFUPM at the age of 80 ! |
Left...or just got lost...  |
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sicklyman
Joined: 02 Feb 2013 Posts: 930
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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any institution that uses teachers from contracting companies has no such limit. We have guys where I work in their 80s and several in their 60s-70s with no sign of retiring any time soon. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Yes, but how old were they when they were hired? Once one is in country, you can keep working as long as you are breathing and your employer will renew your contract.
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:07 am Post subject: |
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For those in their 'golden' years too...all dressed up and no where to go...too old....you can set up your own school in your home.
Collect some stuffed animals and set them on chairs; get a chalk board and some chalk. You can teach your heart out. Once one of the stuffed animals graduates you can advertise for an opening down at your grocery store requesting availability/ opening for one stuffed animal to study ESL. You may want to state your fee at this point... I bet you will get some students rather quickly...or the people in white jackets. No risk; no gains try something different; put yourself out there.  |
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sicklyman
Joined: 02 Feb 2013 Posts: 930
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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veiledsentiments wrote: |
Yes, but how old were they when they were hired? |
I work with at least two who were hired post 60. But they had worked for Aramco before.
The vast majority who have been hired in the last couple of years are under 50. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:16 am Post subject: |
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sicklyman wrote: |
veiledsentiments wrote: |
Yes, but how old were they when they were hired? |
I work with at least two who were hired post 60. But they had worked for Aramco before.
The vast majority who have been hired in the last couple of years are under 50. |
That makes sense. For a known commodity, they will use their wasta to get the visa for someone over 60.
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CANDLES

Joined: 01 Nov 2011 Posts: 605 Location: Wandering aimlessly.....
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Is that men only? Why not for women? Ageism strikes again!  |
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D. Merit
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 203
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Umm...I think you must mean sexism. |
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CANDLES

Joined: 01 Nov 2011 Posts: 605 Location: Wandering aimlessly.....
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Actually I did mean AGE- After 56 women hardly get a look-in to job prospects in the Middle East, whereas doddering old men are still about doing whatever they do.
You could say sexism, but I say ageism!  |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Labor Ministry plans to retire foreigners at 60
Saudi Gazette report | March 04, 2013
Source: http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20130304155346
JEDDAH — The Ministry of Labor has drafted a new law recommending the termination of the services of expatriates who turn 60. Expatriates over 60 who enjoy considerable experience in a field that is important to the Kingdom will be exempt from the law, Al-Madinah newspaper reported on Sunday. An informed source said the ministry and all concerned authorities including relevant committees at the Council of Saudi Chambers of Commerce and Industry discussed all important aspects of the law before sending it to the higher authorities for approval.
Chairman of the human resources committee at the Jeddah Chamber of Commerce and Industry Dr. Samir Hassan said it is important new legislation is in place to facilitate the process of replacing expatriates who turn 60 with Saudi employees. He said authorities should prevent any expatriates from circumventing the law by changing their date of birth in their passports. He called on authorities to start working on the criteria they would use to exempt expatriates with rare specialties from the law.
Dr. Amal Shira, deputy chairperson of the human resources committee, said she did not understand how the social insurance system stipulated that Saudis who reach 60 should be retired, while it allows expatriates to work beyond this age. Shira estimated the number of expatriates over 60 working in the private sector at half a million. She called for speeding up the implementation of the new law and considering the implementation of other rules such as preventing expatriates over 55 from being recruited. She said 25 years should be the maximum period an expatriate can work in the Kingdom. Older expatriates with considerable experience should pass their knowledge to Saudis and should not be allowed to renew their work permits. Older expatriates granted an exemption from the proposed law should be allowed to stay five or 10 years depending on their qualifications, she said.
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The Fifth Column

Joined: 11 Jun 2014 Posts: 331 Location: His habitude with lexical items protrudes not unlike a damaged pollex!!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:15 am Post subject: |
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People who seek to spend their zenith years chasing money there deserve a miserable experience.
Life is too damned short to willingly seek to finish it out in that damned, dusty, hot sand lot!
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CANDLES

Joined: 01 Nov 2011 Posts: 605 Location: Wandering aimlessly.....
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Work is work! If you enjoy it, then go for it: age should not stop you! Wherever you are!  |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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5th Column is quite right. Better to spend your declining years in Burkina Faso, Urban Korea or Papua New Guinea. An inner-city slum in Manchester or Detroit or multi-ethnic suburb of Johannesburg in his eyes might also be better than working in an Ivory Tower in KSA.
Not all of us had negative experiences of the Magic Kingdom. Attempts to decapitate me were not at all common. |
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