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PittsburghSound



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:43 pm    Post subject: Calling vs Emailing Reply with quote

Does anyone think that calling schools on the phone would lead to more responses? I sent a good 30 emails out and only received 2 responses--one that said they don't have anything open for the spring semester, and another that said they won't be recruiting for spring semester until January. I think maybe the email addresses listed on websites are no longer in use or maybe my emails get lost in a big inbox.

Has anyone here had success with actually calling a school and speaking with someone on the phone? I realize my timing might be off with the holiday coming up, but I will simply wait until it's over to send more emails or possibly make any calls.

Edit: I'm talking strictly about public universities.
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doogsville



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be that whoever is reading your emails doesn't understand English, and isn't passing them on to anyone else. Here's an idea, I don't know if it'll work, but why not try Linkedin. A lot of my Chinese colleagues are members and I see details of people from other Chinese universities, so I assume they can use at least some English. If you can find an English speaking person from the universities you are interested in on Linkedin then you could send them a message asking for the email address of the person who does the recruiting. It's a long shot, but it's better than nothing.
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newmansone



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

e-mails are horribly unreliable - assuming you got them from school website. Employee turnover is incredibly high, so someone likely had their name added to the website, but no longer works there. Schools don't really use school named domains either. However, you are quite unlikely to find someone, English speaking, to answer a phone - unless you get a head teacher or FAO. In other words, both are equally unreliable. So, try both. What is the issue? It only makes common sense to try all available options rather than post a question like this think you must choose one or the other. Right????????
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newmansone



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doogsville wrote:
It could be that whoever is reading your emails doesn't understand English, and isn't passing them on to anyone else. Here's an idea, I don't know if it'll work, but why not try Linkedin. A lot of my Chinese colleagues are members and I see details of people from other Chinese universities, so I assume they can use at least some English. If you can find an English speaking person from the universities you are interested in on Linkedin then you could send them a message asking for the email address of the person who does the recruiting. It's a long shot, but it's better than nothing.


It is disgustingly rude to use this crappy, stupid "Linkedin service" - I find it pathetic. Any time I receive one of those things I send a message to the admins of Linkedin to complain. I have put my name on block lists and so on. If you complain, they will suspend user accounts to people who continue to send messages that are unwanted. GOD, JUST THINKING ABOUT IT pisses me off. I have no desire to receive messages from losers who think they are important enough to spam me with such adding-requests. Find more proper and professional ways to get addresses rather than spamming people with so-called friend requests. AGggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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likwid_777



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

newmansone wrote:


It is disgustingly rude to use this crappy, stupid "Linkedin service" - I find it pathetic. Any time I receive one of those things I send a message to the admins of Linkedin to complain. I have put my name on block lists and so on. If you complain, they will suspend user accounts to people who continue to send messages that are unwanted. GOD, JUST THINKING ABOUT IT pisses me off. I have no desire to receive messages from losers who think they are important enough to spam me with such adding-requests. Find more proper and professional ways to get addresses rather than spamming people with so-called friend requests. AGggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Hahaha! Tell it like it is. Your rants are very entertaining and often true.

Yeah, try both though. Phone calls bother people at inconvenient times, mostly. That's the problem with them. Plus, you'll probably just get fobbed off by a secretary who doesn't know who the hell you are, or can't understand you. But if you aren't getting replies, then go hard. Just make sure to be fully awake and speaking nice and well haha... Don't get nervous, either. Personally, it takes me a good two hours after arising in the morning before I'd consider making a "professional" phone call.
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asiannationmc



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
It is disgustingly rude to use this crappy, stupid "Linkedin service" - I find it pathetic.



Why use something you find pathetic, unless you relish the experience.

Quote:
Does anyone think that calling schools on the phone would lead to more responses?


Call-Drop-Call. That's the ticket!
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schools don't really use school named domains either.

Every public university I've ever worked for (as well as private schools that I've been farmed out to) uses a domain named after the school.
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Phat0



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised

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PittsburghSound



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
Schools don't really use school named domains either.

Every public university I've ever worked for (as well as private schools that I've been farmed out to) uses a domain named after the school.


Right, most of the schools I've sent emails to have addresses like @xmut.edu.cn or something like that. Seems legit, but I'm not getting any responses really.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've mentioned this before, but the Chinese don't treat emails like Westerners.
We treat them as a kind of missed phone call and respond as soon as practical.
To the Chinese they are like letters in an in-tray, to be attended to whenever (or not) as the case may be.
Add to this the other issues in FAOs that have been mentioned (staff turnover etc) and some reasons emerge.
My view is that unless you have a phone number that has been qualified ie 'we welcome phone enquiries' then stick to emails.
The mantra for any job search is: A B A
A = Always.
B = Be
A = Applying.
Use Dave's to search possible contacts ie 'Anyone working/worked at Dalian Maritime?'
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asiannationmc



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I've mentioned this before, but the Chinese don't treat emails like Westerners.


I think, most do not really read emails carefully or more than once no mater North, Sloth, East or West.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to be little regard for institutional reputation in the uni sector in China.
If it's an FT making an enquiry make that 'nil regard'.
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davelister



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asiannationmc wrote:
Quote:
I've mentioned this before, but the Chinese don't treat emails like Westerners.


I think, most do not really read emails carefully or more than once no mater North, Sloth, East or West.


Lazy Southerners ; )

I'd have to agree with Non Sequitur about emailing and Chinese. Quite often employees here lack professionalism and only do their job if they are overseen by their manager or there is a tangible benefit for them, like a commission. Emails will not be responded to and / or forwarded on out of professional courteousness as is more likely in the West.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PittsburghSound wrote:
Bud Powell wrote:
Schools don't really use school named domains either.

Every public university I've ever worked for (as well as private schools that I've been farmed out to) uses a domain named after the school.


Right, most of the schools I've sent emails to have addresses like @xmut.edu.cn or something like that. Seems legit, but I'm not getting any responses really.


NS offers a very perceptive explanation for the lack of response to your emails. Other possible reasons for the lack of response is that

A. the school isn't hiring

B. the school is hiring but has turned the job over to a recruiter. In this case, the school will sometimes refer you to the recruiter.

Try looking for one of the job boards that list job openings throughout China and see if you can find the school's ad there. You'll probably see an email address for the school listed, but in all likelihood, it'll be a recruiter (not always a bad thing). Send your inquiry there. You'll get an answer.

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water rat



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever I have called up any place anywhere looking for any sort of job they invariably say, "All right. Good. Send us an email so we can get started." Confused
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