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Sheik Yerbuti
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plumpy nut
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| I hope it was worth it for the Saudi assailant. The dual citizenship makes it tricky as far as what is going to happen to him. |
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scot47
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| There are a large number of dual citizens. Typically these are the children of Saudis who were studying in the USA. |
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veiledsentiments
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This was obviously a grudge shooting... and since the shooter is Saudi, his dual nationality isn't going to matter. The US may make noises about bringing him to the US for trial, but the Saudis have him and will keep him...
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coder
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| There are a large number of dual citizens. Typically these are the children of Saudis who were studying in the USA. |
Yes, and as I remind male dual citizens (whether US/Saudi or US/Anything) : all male US citizens 18-26 years of age are required by law to register with a Local Board for induction into the US Armed Forces if need be. There is no DRAFT, currently, and there hasn't been one for at least 30 years......but you are still required to register with your local draft board. If you don't, you are technically in violation of the law and subject to all kinds of penalties, etc.
I also remind these dual citizens that as US citizens, they are required to file annual income taxes on their world-wide income. If you don't you are again in violation of the law subject to all kinds of penalties and even imprisonment.
Of course, the vast majority of what I call "accidental" US dual citizens never return to the US except maybe for very brief visits and have and make no claim thereof. But still, they should either formally renounce their US citizenship or live in fear of ever being in a situation where the past will quickly catch up with them
(The reactions I've received when I announce these sad but true facts have ranged from non-comprehension to panic).
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| This was obviously a grudge shooting... and since the shooter is Saudi, his dual nationality isn't going to matter. The US may make noises about bringing him to the US for trial, but the Saudis have him and will keep him... |
Well, yes. But is that a good thing? You know what the penalty for murder is in KSA, don't you?
Also, although the US recognizes and has no problem with dual citizenship, the story is quite different with regards KSA. You cannot be a KSA citizen and at the same time a citizen of another country. Again, technically, these dual Saudi citizens must give up their non-Saudi citizenship (or lose their KSA citizenship etc). In other words, the alledged perpetrator of the "incident" we're talking about is in a pickle of a situation now that his citizenship status has been splashed around world-wide.
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Mushkilla
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| plumpy nut wrote: |
| I hope it was worth it for the Saudi assailant. The dual citizenship makes it tricky as far as what is going to happen to him. |
Well, according to the dictionary of the Magic Kingdom, dual citizenship is not legally recognised, which means the Saudi assailant will not have any legal protection or to be sentenced according to Uncle Sam's rules.
The Saudi assailant will be judged according to the Sharia law, and if found guilty, he will be executed in the Chop-Chop square unless the family of the dead American accept the Diya (blood money) around SR50000 from the family of the Saudi assailant.
"Dual nationality is not legally recognised in Saudi Arabia, which may limit the ability of officials to provide consular services. If you are a dual national, you will be recognised as a citizen of the passport which you used to enter Saudi Arabia, as this will be on your visa. If you are dual British citizen, but you entered Saudi Arabia on the other passport, the Saudi authorities will not recognise you as a British citizen. If things go wrong, the British Embassy will have very limited access and ability to provide assistance."
https://www.gov.uk/living-in-saudi-arabia |
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veiledsentiments
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We have capital punishment in the US too... and to be honest, I suspect that the sword is quicker and more efficient than the current usage of drugs in the US.
I have no sympathy for this young man... he knows the punishment and still did it, so let him pay.
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scot47
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veiledsentiments
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Not all of us. I had read about it... but it doesn't really relate to this thread.
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LPKSA
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"The victims of Tuesday’s petrol station shooting in Riyadh also worked at Vinnell Arabia, the diplomat said, ruling out terrorism as a possible motive for the attack."
It was a case of terrorism. According to medical staff who spoke with the man who survived, in the hospital, this man who shot them was fired about a year and a half ago. These guys apparently had only been working for VA for about two months. They had no idea who he was and vice versa. The man who shot them picked them at random, also screaming at them something about being infidels. The Saudi Government wants to keep this as a story of workplace violence where a disgruntled ex-employee goes postal, but in reality, it is what they said was "ruled out." The Saudi Government wants to keep it under the guise of workplace violence to keep other lone ranger extremists from doing the same. Now VA employees are not allowed to leave their compound unless they are in pairs. In other words, be careful out there, especially in areas where western, non-Muslims frequent (malls, etc.). |
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veiledsentiments
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Hard to say really. He was fired and likely felt that the best reaction (a la "going postal") to get back at the company was to kill a few Americans from said company. The fact that one can also justify it to oneself as killing "infidels" doesn't necessarily make it "terrorism."
If a white American Christian man who has gone through a nasty divorce kills a random collection of females where his wife works, is it "terrorism"?
Where is the line between personal revenge and "terrorism"? IMHO, it is a word thrown around too freely in relation to Muslims.
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johnslat
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Every terrorist is a whacko but not every whacko is a terrorist. 
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LPKSA
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Hard to say really. He was fired and likely felt that the best reaction (a la "going postal") to get back at the company was to kill a few Americans from said company. The fact that one can also justify it to oneself as killing "infidels" doesn't necessarily make it "terrorism."
If a white American Christian man who has gone through a nasty divorce kills a random collection of females where his wife works, is it "terrorism"?
Where is the line between personal revenge and "terrorism"? IMHO, it is a word thrown around too freely in relation to Muslims.
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Any man (or woman) who targets innocent people at a gas station and blasts them for no reason (there was no reason why he killed this man {anger from being fired from a job is not justifiable because these people had nothing to do with his termination}) is a terrorist, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with Islam or Christianity. The white Christian dude who shot up that Sikh Temple in Wisconsin was also a terrorist, but yes, I agree with you, because he was "Christian" (he had a huge cross tattooed on his arm) the media didn't refer to him as such, yet that doesn't change the fact that he was a terrorist. Same for David Koresh and Timothy McVeigh. David Koresh was a terrorist of the Sociopathic sort. |
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