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Ethan T



Joined: 27 May 2014
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 10:54 pm    Post subject: Where do I go? No degree or experience. Reply with quote

First, I would like to apologize for repeating the same scenario that is constantly proposed.

Abstract:
My name is Ethan, I am 21, a native English speaker from the USA. I have graduated high school three years ago, but never went on to college and have no TEFL. I have been looking into online TEFL certification (no $50 weekend courses - mainly focusing on Toronto University TEFL) and have no issue in obtaining TEFL certification. I understand the market is shrinking for people such as myself. I have read through the search results of similar situations (sorry for no links - I accidentally closed the pages and my browser is set to not record history), but am still wondering if there is any opportunity for me presuming I obtain a TEFL certificate. Volunteering is certainly an option, especially with organizations such as English Opens Doors. While I would prefer to be paid, I am more interested in the experience above all else. Additionally, I know more than basic Spanish and am self-teaching myself the language on a daily basis. I have been able to hold basic conversations with Mexicans before, and have improved much since my last conversation. Also, has anyone had any experience with TeachAway?

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As far as personal motives for desiring to teach English abroad goes, I simply desire to be in new places. As far back as I can recall, I have always wanted to leave to another land. This is not the type of inspiration generated by cliché portrayals of foreign lands as being something desirable, but rather spawned by a lack of ever feeling a sense of home and belonging from the USA. I have been over quite a bit of the USA, and none of it has ever "reached out" and captivated me. Recently I relocated to New Zealand on a Working Holiday Visa and have been here for eight months now. I still have not lost my original excitement of waking up under the beautiful blue sky here. As much as I have fallen in love with New Zealand, alas I do not believe I can find a way to stay here beyond my 1 year visa. This gives me a remaining four months to prepare for departure. Nothing against the USA really, it is a great place, it is just not home for me, which is why I dread returning to it. Also, college is not an option for me for quite a few reasons I will not discuss. I know this causes a complication in the matter, but sadly simply is.

Summary:
I would prefer to earn some money teaching English in a foreign land, but more than the money is to live by myself rather than to be in someone else's house. A lot of volunteer programs tend to rely on the latter, and understandably so. I really am not going to be picky as to where I can go, and am not really interested in making insanely huge quantities of money - I just want to be somewhere else. TEFL seems like a suitable venue for my passion.

Any and all advice would be appreciated. I understand that it must be irritating hearing essentially the same situation repackaged and reworded, so I would like to thank you for even reading my post. I look forward to the responses, and take all advice seriously (as I have read some simply disappear when they do not get the reply they want). Thank you again!

Ethan
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ethan T wrote:
I would prefer to earn some money teaching English in a foreign land, but more than the money is to live by myself rather than to be in someone else's house. A lot of volunteer programs tend to rely on the latter, and understandably so. I really am not going to be picky as to where I can go, and am not really interested in making insanely huge quantities of money - I just want to be somewhere else. TEFL seems like a suitable venue for my passion.

You stated, "TEFL seems like a suitable venue for my passion." Just what exactly is your passion since it's not TEFL? Despite your lengthy post, that's hard to ascertain. There's no sense of what you've been doing and where you realistically expect to go. But then, at age 21, you're probably still asking yourself this question.

That said, be aware that a TEFL cert and no degree limits you to volunteer and low-paying, unstable work. In other words, the days of backpacker EFL teachers are gone. And yes, you're correct: Forget about being picky and earning big money; you'll be scraping by, if at all.

As for Teach Away, their licensed teacher placement services haven't received complaints, so there's no reason to doubt their volunteer placement services are suspect.
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could probably scrape a living in parts of South America, especially if you get a good quality TEFL certificate. But with no degree it will often be unstable work and your visa situation will be precarious in the long term as doors are closing all the time. You are also unlikely to be able to afford to live alone.
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their (Teachaway's) primary source of income is selling TEFL certs to newbies with promises of "teach and travel". Take the stars out of your eyes before you get burned.

Buyer beware.

Now to other issues.

Without a degree your chances of legal work (defined as having the proper visa and permits) are rapidly heading to "0" - GLOBALLY.

After 2015 all of the ASEAN +6 block is off the radar (Asia east of India).
The USA and Canada are off the radar.
The EU is not open do you.

Central and south America are options but those doors are rapidly closing as well. Jobs will be tenuous, seriously underpaid (to the point of not affording private housing) and inconsistent.

IF you want to go down that road then the best option is to get one of the top 3 TESOL/TEFL certificates (and they aren't cheap):

-CELTA (Certificate in English Language Teaching to Adults) - offered by Cambridge ESOL.
-Trinity Cert TESOL
-SIT Cert TESOL (the same people that trained the Peace Corps).

They won't guarantee success but at least they are recognized globally as meeting a certain level of quality of graduates.

In the end, the news you don't want to hear is that you really do need to get a degree if you want to stay in EFL for more than a gap year exercise. Without a legitimate degree there is no future as an educator.

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Ethan T



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew that Asia was rapidly raising standards for TEFL. I was told by several friends I have who have gone off to teach English that South America was still viable. It sounds like that is wrong. While expected, it is a bit disappointing to hear that there are no real options available, and if there are, they will be gone. Is this extending into the volunteer sector as well, or are there stable volunteer programs that will be around for a while?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Volunteer organizations may or may not have the same requirements and criteria because volunteers aren't paid employees (i.e., there's no employment contract). You'd need to consider each program individually to see if you qualify.

Obviously, you won't earn a living as a volunteer, so this plan isn't viable long term.
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the Peace Corps have a very small number of placements that don't require a degree. I think you need particular skills or experience instead though, but I'm not really sure.
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Ethan T



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had forgotten about the Peace Corps. Perhaps I should look into them a bit. Thank you for the tip!
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ethan T wrote:
I had forgotten about the Peace Corps. Perhaps I should look into them a bit.

I believe a degree is required for teaching positions with the PC.
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rtm



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ethan T wrote:
I was told by several friends I have who have gone off to teach English that South America was still viable. It sounds like that is wrong.

Maybe you missed it, but HLJHLJ said "You could probably scrape a living in parts of South America, especially if you get a good quality TEFL certificate." That would seem to indicate that some parts of South America might be a viable option, as it sounds like you are OK with scraping by (since you are considering volunteer programs as well).

Keep in mind, however, that "good quality TEFL certificate" usually implies in-person training, and supervised teaching experience with real learners. Online certificates usually aren't taken as seriously. In some places in the world, that could be mitigated by having a degree, but since you lack that, you might want to get a more recognized certificate (i.e., one of the 3 that suphanburi mentioned).
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Ethan T



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rtm wrote:
Ethan T wrote:
I was told by several friends I have who have gone off to teach English that South America was still viable. It sounds like that is wrong.

Maybe you missed it, but HLJHLJ said "You could probably scrape a living in parts of South America, especially if you get a good quality TEFL certificate." That would seem to indicate that some parts of South America might be a viable option, as it sounds like you are OK with scraping by (since you are considering volunteer programs as well).

Keep in mind, however, that "good quality TEFL certificate" usually implies in-person training, and supervised teaching experience with real learners. Online certificates usually aren't taken as seriously. In some places in the world, that could be mitigated by having a degree, but since you lack that, you might want to get a more recognized certificate (i.e., one of the 3 that suphanburi mentioned).


I am sorry for not acknowledging before. I have read everything posted so far, I am just trying to figure out what to do. Does anyone know any specific parts of South America or is it just a "grab bag" of sorts? Concerning TEFL, I tried to find places nearby that offer TEFL, but most of them begin after my visa expires or are unrealistic for me to go to. If I did get TEFL, it would most likely be from one of the "big 3".

Which would be considered more valuable - experience or a degree?
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ethan T wrote:
Which would be considered more valuable - experience or a degree?

A degree + a quality TEFL certificate = an opportunity to gain teaching experience in an entry-level position.

By the way, you still haven't responded to my question about what you believe your passion is if it isn't TEFL.
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Ethan T



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
Ethan T wrote:
Which would be considered more valuable - experience or a degree?

A degree + a quality TEFL certificate = an opportunity to gain teaching experience in an entry-level position.

By the way, you still haven't responded to my question about what you believe your passion is if it isn't TEFL.


My passion is to be where I feel at home. Contentment, and nothing more. I cannot feel at home in the USA, and do not want to be around there any more. That is why I left for New Zealand. I would stay here if I could, and there is still the slight possibility I can, but if I cannot, I want to go elsewhere than the USA. If there is a method better than TEFL please share.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many methods other than TEFL. However this is a TEFL forever and you have to figure out your passion. What are you doing in NZ? Maybe you could do that somewhere
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ethan T wrote:
Which would be considered more valuable - experience or a degree?


The degree
- often a visa requirement
- whereas a TEFL cert and experience usually aren't needed for the visa (hence not needed to get hired for an entry level job).

eg:
Korea, Japan and Taiwan - you can get LEGAL work with a degree.
You cannot without one. A TEFL cert or experience makes no difference at the entry level of EFL there.

In Korea, entry level jobs usually come with airfare and housing.
Taiwan they pay fairly well (you can usually SAVE about $1000/month)
Same with Japan (even better deal if you can get on the JET program - comes with a full benefit package as well).

Make that a B.Ed and the picture changes a LOT (in your favor) with remuneration packages in the $40k+ plus benefits range.

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