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BillyBaddusky
Joined: 23 Aug 2014 Posts: 20
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:02 pm Post subject: Classroom Management and Political Apathy |
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I don't intend to start a polemical thread that will invariably get locked. My question is simply about classroom management and the current political zeitgeist.
I have many years experience in the gulf and whenever students either casually or, when they are intent on winding up their teacher, ask questions related to iffy talking points which are political, culturally sensitive or are religious in nature, I've always dismissed the questions quickly with a terse, "I am not allowed to discuss this things by law." Students usually back off.
However, soon I'll be returning to the kingdom after a few years absence and I'm wondering if the students tend to be politically apathetic (which is my hope) or, in light of the hot spots in the region, if they are extra keen to push some angry young men agendas in an English class and methods used to politely keep classroom discussions focused on language learning. |
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LPKSA
Joined: 02 Mar 2014 Posts: 211
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: Classroom Management and Political Apathy |
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BillyBaddusky wrote: |
I don't intend to start a polemical thread that will invariably get locked. My question is simply about classroom management and the current political zeitgeist.
I have many years experience in the gulf and whenever students either casually or, when they are intent on winding up their teacher, ask questions related to iffy talking points which are political, culturally sensitive or are religious in nature, I've always dismissed the questions quickly with a terse, "I am not allowed to discuss this things by law." Students usually back off.
However, soon I'll be returning to the kingdom after a few years absence and I'm wondering if the students tend to be politically apathetic (which is my hope) or, in light of the hot spots in the region, if they are extra keen to push some angry young men agendas in an English class and methods used to politely keep classroom discussions focused on language learning. |
Let your students know who is in control of the classroom. If they try to push you, tell them "don't try to get me in trouble." If they continue to push the class discussion into a direction in which you don't want to go, change the activity. |
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BillyBaddusky
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks LPKSA. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:56 am Post subject: |
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When I taught in KSA, I set up a system with my female students in which the T-shaped, "time-out" gesture was used when either they or I broached a subject deemed as off-limits by the university or as too personal. We established the list of forbidden topics together, and after a few practice runs, the students got it. During my time teaching, I effectively employed this non-verbal gesture no more than a half dozen times without any issue. Not surprising, I noticed a couple of my students subsequently using the gesture with their classmates during conversations both in and out of the classroom.
Regardless of where I've taught, I also incorporate non-verbal signals during testing, which includes invigilating the writing portion of placement tests. It keeps the room quiet and also tends to relax the students. Prior to starting the test, we establish that one hand up means "I have a question"; a raised hand with the thumb and index finger as an L is the student's request for liquid correction ink; and optionally, both hands up signal the student has finished his/her test and it can be collected by the test monitors. |
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LPKSA
Joined: 02 Mar 2014 Posts: 211
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:37 am Post subject: |
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nomad soul wrote: |
When I taught in KSA, I set up a system with my female students in which the T-shaped, "time-out" gesture was used when either they or I broached a subject deemed as off-limits by the university or as too personal. We established the list of forbidden topics together, and after a few practice runs, the students got it. During my time teaching, I effectively employed this non-verbal gesture no more than a half dozen times without any issue. Not surprising, I noticed a couple of my students subsequently using the gesture with their classmates during conversations both in and out of the classroom.
Regardless of where I've taught, I also incorporate non-verbal signals during testing, which includes invigilating the writing portion of placement tests. It keeps the room quiet and also tends to relax the students. Prior to starting the test, we establish that one hand up means "I have a question"; a raised hand with the thumb and index finger as an L is the student's request for liquid correction ink; and optionally, both hands up signal the student has finished his/her test and it can be collected by the test monitors. |
Unfortunately, NS, female students in KSA are far more mature. This would never work in my class. I have to remind these "boys" over and over again that they can get me into trouble. Sometimes they try to push my buttons and get a reaction. If they become aggressive, I walk out of the room and they all get a zero. Halas! |
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fledex
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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I like to keep it political. The students can get worked up and struggle to use more English fluently. Just be smart about how you deal with it. For example, talking about Saher and whether it works is a popular one with the guys. From what I read and hear from the female teachers, talking about problems with emo or goth girls may interest them. Just don't take the bait if they try to get you to talk about something they could use against you later if they want. |
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Mushkilla

Joined: 17 Apr 2014 Posts: 320 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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nomad soul wrote: |
..a raised hand with the thumb and index finger as an L is the student's request for liquid correction ink |
Just out of curiosity, is correcting fluid/pen/tape not banned in exams in the Magic Kingdom?
When I was working in the Magic Kingdom, our students are not allowed to use any form of correcting fluid. If they make a mistake, they are asked to cross through it and write in a new line. |
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LPKSA
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:02 am Post subject: |
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fledex wrote: |
I like to keep it political. The students can get worked up and struggle to use more English fluently. Just be smart about how you deal with it... |
Be careful, you don't want to antagonize them, or for them to take your aim the wrong way. Best to not even go there. |
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sicklyman
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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you don't even have to antagonise them. All it takes is you engaging with a contentious subject for just one student to head to the nearest admin office and make your working life very difficult.
Don't give them the opportunity. It's not worth it.
ANd if you really do think it's worth it, think of other teachers who may suffer because you entertained it. You may get away with it. But they may feel encouraged to try it with other teachers who get themselves into hot water.
We're here to teach English, not spread the Gospel of Western Civilisation (whatever that is ) |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Teach the book. Test the book. That is it. Forget all the rest. |
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MuscatGary
Joined: 03 Jun 2013 Posts: 1364 Location: Flying around the ME...
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:54 am Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
Teach the book. Test the book. That is it. Forget all the rest. |
Take the money. Then forget....... |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:23 am Post subject: |
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LPKSA wrote: |
Unfortunately, NS, female students in KSA are far more mature. This would never work in my class. I have to remind these "boys" over and over again that they can get me into trouble. Sometimes they try to push my buttons and get a reaction. If they become aggressive, I walk out of the room and they all get a zero. Halas! |
Telling your students ad nauseam not to do XYZ because it could get you into trouble is a lousy strategy and only encourages them to push your buttons.
I've taught an all-male class of 14 students in another Mid East country. I established my role and responsibilities and theirs from the start. I also had them brainstorm the classroom rules to get their buy-in, which led to them enforcing the rules among each other. There was one time when one of the students made a sarcastic comment out loud about the lesson. I ignored him, but one of his classmates immediately turned to him and said, "You apologize to our teacher." The offender quickly realized no one in the class appreciated his comment. He apologized to me and from then on, he was fine. He also later disclosed there were family issues at home that were making him unhappy.
Anyway, it doesn't hurt to try different tactics on new groups of students. |
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LPKSA
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:04 am Post subject: |
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nomad soul wrote: |
LPKSA wrote: |
Unfortunately, NS, female students in KSA are far more mature. This would never work in my class. I have to remind these "boys" over and over again that they can get me into trouble. Sometimes they try to push my buttons and get a reaction. If they become aggressive, I walk out of the room and they all get a zero. Halas! |
Telling your students ad nauseam not to do XYZ because it could get you into trouble is a lousy strategy and only encourages them to push your buttons.
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When they push my buttons, I walk out of class. They are university students. They know that when some students in the class are acting up, or trying to press some kind of agenda, the rest of the class will keep them in check, because when it comes to me walking out, they know they will have received a zero for participation for the day. They police themselves. No need to waste time at the beginning of the semester. They know what the rules are before even coming into the room. Once I make an example out of one or two students, that's it. They know better. |
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MixtecaMike

Joined: 19 Nov 2003 Posts: 643 Location: Guatebad
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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I don't lay down the law, I enjoy the to and fro of "conflict" between their laziness and my desire for them to learn something. We have the threat of one day you'll piss me off too much, when it arrives they realize I do have a limit and the next day we start again. Most days they learn something, and all of us have a bit of fun.
I gave my high school teachers hell, so I need to be able to take it now the shoe's on the other foot (albeit slightly older than high school feet). |
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