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Trying to migrate from South Korea to South America

 
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Jechaca



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:11 pm    Post subject: Trying to migrate from South Korea to South America Reply with quote

Hey there.

After teaching in Asia for a couple years, I've taken a short break to travel around the U.S. a bit, and I've decided I would really like to head to a large Spanish-speaking city next. I studied Spanish in high school, but I've since failed to keep up with the language, and I'm very keen to study the language seriously.

After reading numerous articles online and perusing these forums for information about teaching in South America, it's clear to me that jobs are certainly not as high in demand as in Asia, so I'm looking for some input on my chances of landing a job that will provide me with a decent wage, provided I fly down and take a CELTA course in the next couple of months.

My quick bio:

27 years old, male, Caucasian
Master of Science in a field unrelated to language/teaching at a mid-tier United States university
Very basic Spanish
Two years experience at private academies in South Korea, mostly primary-aged students
No TEFL certificate currently, but will take CELTA


In terms of what I would like in a job, I'm not opposed to odd hours as long as they don't total more than 40 a week, including prep. I prefer high school, university, or adult students, as most teachers seem to from what I've read. Vacation time is highly valued.

One little wrinkle here is that I fly for 10% of the cost of a normal fare due to my wonderful sister's connections (I'm morally obligated to write that considering the amount of money she has saved me the past year), but I've not yet figured out a way to use this particular benefit beyond choosing the cheapest South American country to take a CELTA course in without worrying about flight cost.

My impression right now is that Santiago and Bogota are my best bets. Most people suggest simply flying down, taking the CELTA, and then knocking on doors, but that's a bit more complicated since I speak a very low level of Spanish. If I can't build up a bit of confidence about going to Latin America through reading articles and talking to people in ESL about their living conditions, I'll probably end up going to Vietnam instead.

Thanks for any input you can offer.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Trying to migrate from South Korea to South America Reply with quote

Jechaca wrote:
Most people suggest simply flying down, taking the CELTA, and then knocking on doors, but that's a bit more complicated since I speak a very low level of Spanish. If I can't build up a bit of confidence about going to Latin America through reading articles and talking to people in ESL about their living conditions, I'll probably end up going to Vietnam instead.

Thanks for any input you can offer.


Laughing There went my last swig of beer! Razz Clean-up on aisle 3-ASAP!

Laughing

Go to Mexico City, find a job, start teaching. CELTA? We don't need no stinkin' CELTA!

Spanish? You're pick it up as you go along. Or come over to VN and give it a shot, most folks seem to have been since 75 & still can't speak VNese to save their life. Oh well, that's life! Twisted Evil
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Jechaca



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Go to Mexico City, find a job, start teaching. CELTA? We don't need no stinkin' CELTA!


I'm pretty set on getting the CELTA, though, since I'll be entering my third year in this kind of work and want some kind of official certification to show for it. Not to mention the comfort of having the training itself, transitioning from the lax standards of South Korea.

Does Mexico City generally provide the most comfortable lifestyle/highest wages? The CELTA programs in Mexico City and Guadalajara are about $300 more than the one listed in Buenos Aires.

Oh, and I didn't mean that last line in the initial post as a slight to Vietnam, promise. Just the next best option, in my mind. Very Happy

Edit: After searching various, possibly misinformed online articles concerning pay and cost of living, Mexico City does indeed seem to have the highest average of Latin American cities, just ahead of Santiago.

In terms of cost of living, some quick research suggests that Mexico City and Santiago are nearly identical, while Bogota is about $200 cheaper per month. That's significant, but not when you consider that wages in Bogota are accordingly less as well.

Ho Chi Minh wins on both counts, cost of living and pay. In all, I seem to be sacrificing about $7,000 a year by choosing South America over Vietnam, based on quick calculations of cost of living versus expected wage.

If I'm wrong on any of this, please feel free to point it out, as I'm basing this off of quickly gathered online numbers.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the OP said South America and Mexico is not in South America.
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Jechaca



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BadBeagleBad wrote:
But the OP said South America and Mexico is not in South America.


Yeah, but I am willing to consider all of Latin America.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is your MS in?
You might find a Mexican university where the students are studying that or something similar and need English for academic reading and writing and profesores who publish in your field and need help cleaning up the English in their papers.
I find myself doing that a lot and my degree that is relevant to EFL teaching doesn't really help me with that.
You'd expect 10,000 to 20,000 a month at a Mexican university.
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Jechaca



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MotherF wrote:
What is your MS in?
You might find a Mexican university where the students are studying that or something similar and need English for academic reading and writing and profesores who publish in your field and need help cleaning up the English in their papers.
I find myself doing that a lot and my degree that is relevant to EFL teaching doesn't really help me with that.
You'd expect 10,000 to 20,000 a month at a Mexican university.


Arts Technology. I'd be surprised if it benefited me in any way. In my graduate program, I mostly wrote about new media art, technological art philosophy, installations, augmented reality using smartphones, etc. Made some video art pieces, conceptual computer art, basic sound manipulation, got some experience with After Effects, stuff like that. I didn't end up enjoying the program, as none of the graduates were particularly enthusiastic about or confident in their own work, hence my choice to split from the field and pursue teaching abroad.

I'm assuming I can go down, enroll in a CELTA program, and meanwhile inquire as to whether I might qualify for some kind of university position.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you interested in Peru? I still have some connections at language schools in Lima and a university in Piura. The latter will get you a year long visa. You can PM me if you want.

I'm in Seoul now and I can tell you its a heck of a lot more than 7k you would be sacrificing. We get housing and flights. Maybe severance as well. Housing and flights are 7k alone. In Peru you're looking at about 500-1500 a month. Id say 700-1000 to start. No housing. No flights. Maybe a visa.

Ask about visas and housing and flights since those aren't as common in LA than in Asia.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jechaca wrote:
Quote:
Go to Mexico City, find a job, start teaching. CELTA? We don't need no stinkin' CELTA!


I'm pretty set on getting the CELTA, though, since I'll be entering my third year in this kind of work and want some kind of official certification to show for it. Not to mention the comfort of having the training itself, transitioning from the lax standards of South Korea.

Does Mexico City generally provide the most comfortable lifestyle/highest wages? The CELTA programs in Mexico City and Guadalajara are about $300 more than the one listed in Buenos Aires.

Oh, and I didn't mean that last line in the initial post as a slight to Vietnam, promise. Just the next best option, in my mind. Very Happy

Edit: After searching various, possibly misinformed online articles concerning pay and cost of living, Mexico City does indeed seem to have the highest average of Latin American cities, just ahead of Santiago.

In terms of cost of living, some quick research suggests that Mexico City and Santiago are nearly identical, while Bogota is about $200 cheaper per month. That's significant, but not when you consider that wages in Bogota are accordingly less as well.

Ho Chi Minh wins on both counts, cost of living and pay. In all, I seem to be sacrificing about $7,000 a year by choosing South America over Vietnam, based on quick calculations of cost of living versus expected wage.

If I'm wrong on any of this, please feel free to point it out, as I'm basing this off of quickly gathered online numbers.


A lot of this comes down to personal preference. Do you want to try SE Asia or Latin America? Learn Vietnamese (good luck, LOL!) or Spanish (easy to learn, very useful to know)? Eat pho or tacos? Noodles/rice or tortas/tamales?

Long-term, I think Latin America wins, hands-down. Being able to learn the language, feel at ease with the culture, buy property/run a business in your name, get credit etc.

And why make such a plan where you choose one over the other? It's a nice non-stop flight from Seoul on Asiana to HCMC. Get a room down in the Pham Ngu Lao area and give it a shot. Take a CELTA course in VN and try out the life for a while. If it isn't your bowl of pho (or cup of tea as the case may be), there are plenty of flights to Lat Am everyday as well from HCMC & BKK Idea
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Jechaca



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
Are you interested in Peru? I still have some connections at language schools in Lima and a university in Piura. The latter will get you a year long visa. You can PM me if you want.

I'm in Seoul now and I can tell you its a heck of a lot more than 7k you would be sacrificing. We get housing and flights. Maybe severance as well. Housing and flights are 7k alone. In Peru you're looking at about 500-1500 a month. Id say 700-1000 to start. No housing. No flights. Maybe a visa.

Ask about visas and housing and flights since those aren't as common in LA than in Asia.


I would be interested in Lima, but probably not Piura, as I'm trying to keep it to major cities, barring something like a really good offer from a university in a smaller city.

The flight reimbursement isn't a real plus for me since I fly so cheaply; it would be a net gain of about $400 over a year. I'll miss the housing allowance and severance bonus from working in Seoul, though. At least the cost of living in Latin America is generally favorable.

Prof.Gringo wrote:
And why make such a plan where you choose one over the other? It's a nice non-stop flight from Seoul on Asiana to HCMC. Get a room down in the Pham Ngu Lao area and give it a shot. Take a CELTA course in VN and try out the life for a while. If it isn't your bowl of pho (or cup of tea as the case may be), there are plenty of flights to Lat Am everyday as well from HCMC & BKK


I'm actually thinking the opposite; giving Latin America a shot while taking the CELTA in a major city down there, and, if I can't find a job that pays well enough through the contacts at International House, heading over to Vietnam with the CELTA in hand with the intent to make some money.

Your thinking mirrors my own on all other points concerning the benefits of going to Latin America for the language and culture. I'll be applying to a CELTA school in Latin America by Monday. Buenos Aires is the cheapest, but for some reason Argentina charges Americans a "reciprocity fee" of $160 just to get into the country, so I'll look at Bogota and Mexico City as well.

And I love tacos.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Trying to migrate from South Korea to South America Reply with quote

Jechaca wrote:
My impression right now is that Santiago and Bogota are my best bets. Most people suggest simply flying down, taking the CELTA, and then knocking on doors, but that's a bit more complicated since I speak a very low level of Spanish.


You might try spending a month or so at one of the many language schools in Latin America either immediately before or after your CELTA course.

Also, check out the thread started by Jultime (you may want to PM her) over on the Mexico forum.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=107685

She did some Spanish language classes in, I think, Guatemala and Oaxaca before starting her CELTA course in Mexico City (where she is now) and, through her language training, has already obtained a number of solid leads to tutoring and teaching positions which she plans to followup on upon completion of her CELTA.

If you're committed to Latin America, it's certainly doable and there are plenty of opportunities to get a jump start on your Spanish (which, frankly, is pretty easy to learn as far as foreign languages go).

Regardless of where you end up, please keep us posted on how things go. Sharing your experiences certainly makes it easier for others who follow in your footsteps later.

Good luck!!! Smile
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Jechaca



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Trying to migrate from South Korea to South America Reply with quote

esl_prof wrote:


You might try spending a month or so at one of the many language schools in Latin America either immediately before or after your CELTA course.

Also, check out the thread started by Jultime (you may want to PM her) over on the Mexico forum.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=107685

She did some Spanish language classes in, I think, Guatemala and Oaxaca before starting her CELTA course in Mexico City (where she is now) and, through her language training, has already obtained a number of solid leads to tutoring and teaching positions which she plans to followup on upon completion of her CELTA.

If you're committed to Latin America, it's certainly doable and there are plenty of opportunities to get a jump start on your Spanish (which, frankly, is pretty easy to learn as far as foreign languages go).

Regardless of where you end up, please keep us posted on how things go. Sharing your experiences certainly makes it easier for others who follow in your footsteps later.

Good luck!!! Smile


Stellar. She says that she paid only $167 per week to study for a month, including accomodation. Many of the hostels I looked at in Latin America would've cost that alone. That's a cheaper Spanish class than I could ever have imagined. I'll look into it immediately and send her a message. Thanks!
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