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Ponder Frog
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 Posts: 2
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:21 am Post subject: Prospective newbie, very uncertain about what to do... |
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I'm 26 years old, from England, with an art/design-related BA and a recently-acquired CELTA, and I am now having some quite significant doubts as to whether going away to teach EFL is the best thing for me at this stage. I realise this might sound a bit strange after I've invested so much time and money into doing the CELTA, so I'll try to explain myself as best (and briefly) as I can, and I'll be grateful for any thoughts and advice.
Since finishing my BA a few years ago I've been very aimless and non-committal with regards to my future. I've travelled a bit for a few months at a time, but have mostly been living at home and working part-time (mainly retail) jobs. I've always had English teaching in mind as a sort of 'Plan B', and earlier this year I felt that the time had come to make some sort of decision, so I signed up for a CELTA. I figured that I may as well make the most of having no ties or apparent prospects in the UK, rather than just hanging on in quiet desperation. Teaching is definitely something that appeals to me, but I couldn't bring myself to go the PGCE route (partly due to a lack of interst in teaching my degree subject, but mainly due to the bureaucracy, government pressure, life-consuming workload, endless paperwork and general negativity that characterises the UK education system at the moment). And I did find the CELTA enjoyable (albeit a bit stressful and draining at times).
But now, having done the CELTA, I'm still undecided. It's not that I no longer want to teach English or live abroad. I guess what I'd like to do now is to go away and teach for say 2-4 years. But I'm aware that as the years go by I won't be getting any younger or less unemployable in England. Over the past weeks I've been trawling TEFL forums, blogs and articles, and have read so many warnings about the black mark that TEFL will leave on your CV, about the risk of getting 'stuck' doing it, about the lack of job security, career structure, future prospects, the stagntating wages in many countries, the lack of respect and support from employers, about how it's a 'dying industry', and about the general precariousness of the job and lifestyle. It seems impossible to research any aspect of TEFL without sooner or later runnning into a barage of negativity and pessimism.
Also, despite its many flaws and terrible weather, I recognise that there are a lot of good things about living in the UK, and I wouldn't feel good about making it difficult for myself to come back and settle down here. I would definitely like to see some more of the world, but England still feels like home to me, and this feels like too young an age to risk forcing permanent exile on myself. On the other hand, having reached age 26 without ever having a 'real' job, my employability and prospects here are already pretty poor. So if I'm unlikely to find any work that isn't menial and unfulfilling then I might be better off going away and having a TEFL adventure after all. Fundamentally all I really want at this point is a means of supporting myself with a job that is in some small way fulfilling and worthwhile. It seems that English teaching can offer this at least some of the time (certainly more than my current situation), while also offering the benefits of travel and new experiences. But I'm just not sure whether it would be the best focus for my energies right now, given everything I've read and heard...
One big reason for my doubts is that I've really struggled to decide on a country where I'd be excited to go and live. I was interested in Taiwan, until I learned that (decent) jobs are now relatively scarce due to more supply than demand, and that almost all work there involves teaching very young children. But otherwise I've ruled out most of (East) Asia (unfortunate, as it seems that's where most entry-level jobs are). If pushed to pick an Asian country maybe I'd choose Korea, on the basis that it's easy for newbies, and is more developed, less polluted and perhaps not quite as generally 'difficult' as China. But to be honest there isn't really much about Korea that excites or interests me. I have been considering Latin America, specifically Costa Rica. It's an area of the world I have yet to explore, and very appealing in terms of culture, nature, lifestyle and people. But then there's the very limited earning potenial of this region to consider. On the one hand a low wage isn't a dealbreaker for me, since I have some savings and I'm not a heavy drinker or huge partier, and enjoy simple living. So I think I would do okay on a modest wage. Still, travelling thousands of miles to work for $7/hour (after spending over a grand on a certficate) seems like a slightly ridiculous career move...
So there are a lot of things I'm not sure about. I guess fundamentally I'm just not sure which is the worse decison - trying to solve my lack of direction in life by running away abroad (and in doing so potentially hampering my chances of a future in the UK), or sticking around in a place in which I can realistically envision no (enjoyable) future, and thereby missing out on the chance to try something that I might enjoy and be good at (as well as all the travel and stuff). Neither sounds like a brilliant 10 year plan.
Obviously I know that this is my decision to make, but it would be useful to get some different perspectives. Maybe some members here had to make the choice between teaching ESL abroad and a 'safer', but probably much more mundane life at home? I'm grateful to anyone who managed to read all that and will welcome all thoughts and reflections!  |
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MuscatGary
Joined: 03 Jun 2013 Posts: 1364 Location: Flying around the ME...
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Don't put yourself in the position of looking back ten years down the line and saying 'I wish I'd done that.' Take the plunge and go for it. If you're not sure how you'll cope abroad then try for a job close to home to start, maybe France or Spain. Good luck! |
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Chris Westergaard
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 215 Location: Prague
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think you are over analyzing this way too much. Teaching abroad, for most people, lasts about a year. Pick a place that you find interested and make the jump. All of this worry and fear is not getting you anywhere. The experience, if you do it right, will change you and make you a better person. It will give you a different perspective on the world. You're 26 years old. You're young. What are you worried about. This isn't going to be a career. It's going to be a life experience. Go out and make it.
Cheers,
Chris |
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Ponder Frog
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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MuscatGary wrote: |
Don't put yourself in the position of looking back ten years down the line and saying 'I wish I'd done that.' Take the plunge and go for it. If you're not sure how you'll cope abroad then try for a job close to home to start, maybe France or Spain. Good luck! |
Chris Westergaard wrote: |
I think you are over analyzing this way too much. Teaching abroad, for most people, lasts about a year. Pick a place that you find interested and make the jump. All of this worry and fear is not getting you anywhere. The experience, if you do it right, will change you and make you a better person. It will give you a different perspective on the world. You're 26 years old. You're young. What are you worried about. This isn't going to be a career. It's going to be a life experience. Go out and make it.
Cheers,
Chris |
Thanks for the replies. Yeah I realise that to some this might seem like extreme overthinking. But I'd say it was more concern than fear. I know I'm still relatively young, but I'm not that young anymore, and I do worry about the consequences of allowing myself to approach age 30 abroad when I've got nothing to fall back on when I come home (no useful/respected qualifications, skills or work experience). Basically I'm just finding it a lot less comfortable to be drifting aimlessly compared to a few years ago. Maybe that's wise, maybe not. I just don't want to be so quick to dismiss it as irrational worry... |
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adaruby
Joined: 21 Apr 2014 Posts: 171 Location: has served on a hiring committee
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Ponder Frog wrote: |
MuscatGary wrote: |
Don't put yourself in the position of looking back ten years down the line and saying 'I wish I'd done that.' Take the plunge and go for it. If you're not sure how you'll cope abroad then try for a job close to home to start, maybe France or Spain. Good luck! |
Chris Westergaard wrote: |
I think you are over analyzing this way too much. Teaching abroad, for most people, lasts about a year. Pick a place that you find interested and make the jump. All of this worry and fear is not getting you anywhere. The experience, if you do it right, will change you and make you a better person. It will give you a different perspective on the world. You're 26 years old. You're young. What are you worried about. This isn't going to be a career. It's going to be a life experience. Go out and make it.
Cheers,
Chris |
Thanks for the replies. Yeah I realise that to some this might seem like extreme overthinking. But I'd say it was more concern than fear. I know I'm still relatively young, but I'm not that young anymore, and I do worry about the consequences of allowing myself to approach age 30 abroad when I've got nothing to fall back on when I come home (no useful/respected qualifications, skills or work experience). Basically I'm just finding it a lot less comfortable to be drifting aimlessly compared to a few years ago. Maybe that's wise, maybe not. I just don't want to be so quick to dismiss it as irrational worry... |
You've got a foundation in the shape of a CELTA and a BA and if you can survive the first couple of years working up from the bottom of the ladder, there's then the chance of working for a reputable language school.
At such a school in Asia you'll get a number of benefits (healthcare, flights, paid holidays, settling-in allowances, visas, bonuses), an extremely decent salary by local standards, and the opportunity to do further qualifications that would enable you to work in Britain in the long term.
Solid experience teaching IELTS or EAP and a career qualification like the DELTA would certainly give you plenty of options in the UK- standard packages range from between 20-30k a year at language schools and more than 30 at universities.
It all depends on what you want and how serious you are about it though.
There's no need to panic if it's not for you; at the age of 26, a year abroad isn't gonna do your CV any harm at all. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Ponder Frog wrote: |
I'm 26 years old, from England, with an art/design-related BA and a recently-acquired CELTA, and I am now having some quite significant doubts as to whether going away to teach EFL is the best thing for me at this stage.
Teaching is definitely something that appeals to me, but I couldn't bring myself to go the PGCE route (partly due to a lack of interst in teaching my degree subject, but mainly due to the bureaucracy, government pressure, life-consuming workload, endless paperwork and general negativity that characterises the UK education system at the moment). |
Be aware that "bureaucracy, government pressure, life-consuming workload, endless paperwork..." describes the visa process as well as the work environment for some TEFL jobs. Best to have low (realistic) expectations when contemplating working abroad and not hold any romantic notions about the profession.
That said, nothing comes easy; sometimes you gotta pay your dues by putting in some hard work up front. Obviously, if you want to make a career of TEFL, you'll likely have to bump up your academic and/or TEFL credentials. Or... Consider the following benefits from a UAE ad for a certified art teacher with 3 years of teaching experience: accommodation; roundtrip airfare; relocation allowance; vacation days and national holidays; health insurance for teacher and dependents; education allowance for dependents; transportation to/from work; and a salary for up to $3300 USD tax free (2-year contract). A similar ad for an experienced and certified art teacher at a private international school indicates full benefits and pays up to $4100 USD/month tax free (3-year contract). |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:06 am Post subject: Re: Prospective newbie, very uncertain about what to do... |
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Ponder Frog wrote: |
I'm 26 years old, from England, with an art/design-related BA and a recently-acquired CELTA, and I am now having some quite significant doubts as to whether going away to teach EFL is the best thing for me at this stage. I realise this might sound a bit strange after I've invested so much time and money into doing the CELTA...
Still, travelling thousands of miles to work for $7/hour (after spending over a grand on a certficate) seems like a slightly ridiculous career move...
So there are a lot of things I'm not sure about. I guess fundamentally I'm just not sure which is the worse decison - trying to solve my lack of direction in life by running away abroad (and in doing so potentially hampering my chances of a future in the UK), or sticking around in a place in which I can realistically envision no (enjoyable) future, and thereby missing out on the chance to try something that I might enjoy and be good at (as well as all the travel and stuff). Neither sounds like a brilliant 10 year plan. |
CELTA- $2,000 bucks
Plane Tickets- $1,000 USD
Costs of start-up abroad- $3,000 USD
First job hourly salary: $4-8 USD per hour
Living life to the fullest- Priceless
BTW
Want "direction" in life and a fun, exciting career? Join the military! Now hiring  |
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dragonpiwo
Joined: 04 Mar 2013 Posts: 1650 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:27 pm Post subject: erm |
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You sound like you are waiting to be rescued.
Moreover, it sounds like your head has told you EFL is a dumb idea, which it is.
When I was in my 20s the travel was great. I met some great expats (few of them were the teachers) and some great locals. Now, it's the Middle East and all about money. TEFL is rarely a career. It's like leaping from leaf to leaf across a pond but the final leaf ain't there and you die before reaching the far bank.
It's OK to have no aim in life careerwise. If you are decent looking and don't have probs meeting someone, find someone rich, have kids and live in the burbs.
A minimum wage job is bad enough, but when it's half a world away, well......nuff said. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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The OP posted almost a year ago. S/he is surely sorted by now! |
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Lotteloes
Joined: 03 May 2015 Posts: 20 Location: Spain
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:02 pm Post subject: Prospective newbie, very uncertain about what to do... |
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I do hope that the OP has made a decision
But I am sure that there will be much more people, newbies, around here worrying about the same thing.
Everythings comes with a price. I have a degree in business law, have worked as financial administrator, office manager, accountant, went back to evening classes to become a skilled lingerie maker, went back to a finance position and I am currently working as a HR/payroll advisorin Spain and thinking about doing a CELTA and start all over again.
Being 48, with a resume as above, it will be very unlikely that I will find a decent job in the Netherlands except if I start my own small businss.
This also means no retirement fund and for every year I live abroad the Dutch government will deduct 2% of the pension allowance they provide to all Dutch people (if it will be existing when I reach that age).
It is a good idea to take all these things into account when making a decision. OP was 26 years old, so he has time to go for it and "sell" that on his resume if he would found out that this was not what he wanted. But for some people on this forum there is more to loose. |
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guobaoyobro
Joined: 10 Dec 2015 Posts: 73 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:17 am Post subject: |
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You should consider going somewhere for vacation, and seeing if you can angle a job on the ground. Thailand would be a good bet for this.
Then, you can enjoy yourself on your vacation side of things, jump into ESL, and if it doesn't work out, you know you tried.
Even if a shred of you wants to still do it, then you should do it.
Like others said, don't look back and wish you had. Unless taking a crack will severely affect your life in a negative way for 5-10 years, GO FOR IT. |
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guobaoyobro
Joined: 10 Dec 2015 Posts: 73 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Also (one month later...)
There's a good lot of jaded heads on these forums.
Pick your spot in Asia, line everything up the best you can, and dive in.
DON'T limit yourself to a year. Instead, tell yourself you're going to keep an open mind to finishing your year and either signing a second year to really start saving, or find yourself an even cushier job.
Or, save up a little bit of dough, and since you're over here now, take another leap off the deep end and try a blind crack at a different area! Then you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Who knows, you might just land yourself a cushy job you love, save even more money, and a few years will wizz by leaving you in a great spot.
I'm currently in a super polluted NE China city, and sure, the air in winter is pretty terrible...but you know what, it's the little things. Slurping on Xiaolongbao and Mini Baozi that you paid a buck for while you watch the streets hum. Saving $700 a month and still living how you want.
It's all in what you make of it.
Do it, and please, update us. |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Prospective newbie, very uncertain about what to do... |
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Ponder Frog wrote: |
So there are a lot of things I'm not sure about. I guess fundamentally I'm just not sure which is the worse decison - trying to solve my lack of direction in life by running away abroad (and in doing so potentially hampering my chances of a future in the UK), or sticking around in a place in which I can realistically envision no (enjoyable) future, and thereby missing out on the chance to try something that I might enjoy and be good at (as well as all the travel and stuff). Neither sounds like a brilliant 10 year plan.
Obviously I know that this is my decision to make, but it would be useful to get some different perspectives. Maybe some members here had to make the choice between teaching ESL abroad and a 'safer', but probably much more mundane life at home? I'm grateful to anyone who managed to read all that and will welcome all thoughts and reflections!  |
Did you ever leave the UK and use your CELTA? |
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