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Highlander.Mark
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 Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:50 am Post subject: Non Native Speaker Denied Visa |
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Hey guys hopefully someone can offer an insight into this. A guy in my school has a Swedish partner who was all set to come here (Taizhou Zheijiang) only to be refused because a visa she is not a native speaker ?
Has there been a recent change ?
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water rat
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I don't know that it is a 'change' per se. It may just be her bad luck. China is vast with different provinces, different immigration offices, different officials, different moods. There are so many factors. Maybe who ever had the stamp in his hand just got a talking to from his immediate superior who said he was 'passing' to many people. It could be anything. I once worked with a very conscientious Turkish math teacher (um ... the math wasn't Turkish, the man was). This was in Indonesia at a Turkish school. This man spoke fluent Bahasa Indonesia, had just married and brought his wife over and she was going to teach science at our school. He was popular, enthusiastic and dedicated, but some old grump at immigration arbitrarily decided he didn't like this man's face ... or something. So off he went home to Istanbul with his bride, never to return.  |
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BleedingBlue
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| Sorry, but there is no reason for non-native-English speakers to teach English (especially spoken English). Students can learn poor pronunciation just as easily from their Chinese teachers. |
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Dan123
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| BleedingBlue wrote: |
| Sorry, but there is no reason for non-native-English speakers to teach English (especially spoken English). Students can learn poor pronunciation just as easily from their Chinese teachers. |
I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot here to bother even responding to you, but haven't you ever met a non-native English speaker who speaks Chinese better than the average Chinese English teacher? The average Swede speaks far better English than almost any Chinese English teacher I've met in my life for example. I know plenty of people from non-native English speaking countries who speak fluently with almost no trace of a foreign accent. |
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aussieteacher
Joined: 05 Nov 2014
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| BleedingBlue wrote: |
| Sorry, but there is no reason for non-native-English speakers to teach English (especially spoken English). Students can learn poor pronunciation just as easily from their Chinese teachers. |
Personally, I'd rather learn English from a Swiss teacher than some poorly educated American; the English vocabulary and the incredibly mild accent of the Nordic Europeans (in particular) I've met in my travels has blown my mind. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| water rat wrote: |
| I don't know that it is a 'change' per se. It may just be her bad luck. China is vast with different provinces, different immigration offices, different officials, different moods. There are so many factors. Maybe who ever had the stamp in his hand just got a talking to from his immediate superior who said he was 'passing' to many people. It could be anything. I once worked with a very conscientious Turkish math teacher (um ... the math wasn't Turkish, the man was). This was in Indonesia at a Turkish school. This man spoke fluent Bahasa Indonesia, had just married and brought his wife over and she was going to teach science at our school. He was popular, enthusiastic and dedicated, but some old grump at immigration arbitrarily decided he didn't like this man's face ... or something. So off he went home to Istanbul with his bride, never to return. |
Could have been a Muslim on Muslim thing.
Indons believe Arabs and other ME Muslims have ruined Islam. |
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MuscatGary
Joined: 03 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| BleedingBlue wrote: |
| Sorry, but there is no reason for non-native-English speakers to teach English (especially spoken English). Students can learn poor pronunciation just as easily from their Chinese teachers. |
....and shocking written English from you:
Bleeding Blue wrote:
I should be written, "It's a stutter." Simple grammar and typing/spelling.
"Puuuhlease" in this written form is hardly a stutter - it's and exaggerated/lengthened spoken sound, pronunciation.
Anyone who doesn't understand that "Puuuhlease" is equal to "please" needs to reevaluate their "teaching ENGLISH to other people" status. |
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water rat
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| water rat wrote: |
| I don't know that it is a 'change' per se. It may just be her bad luck. China is vast with different provinces, different immigration offices, different officials, different moods. There are so many factors. Maybe who ever had the stamp in his hand just got a talking to from his immediate superior who said he was 'passing' to many people. It could be anything. I once worked with a very conscientious Turkish math teacher (um ... the math wasn't Turkish, the man was). This was in Indonesia at a Turkish school. This man spoke fluent Bahasa Indonesia, had just married and brought his wife over and she was going to teach science at our school. He was popular, enthusiastic and dedicated, but some old grump at immigration arbitrarily decided he didn't like this man's face ... or something. So off he went home to Istanbul with his bride, never to return. |
Could have been a Muslim on Muslim thing.
Indons believe Arabs and other ME Muslims have ruined Islam. |
Hard to believe an immigration guy would be that fanatical or out and out insane. Plus, the regional office in question must have been familiar with our school and knew that Turks, Uzbeks, Tajiks and Kyrgyzs were working there, and were just regular guys who happened to be teachers and Muslims, and what's so awful about that? Especially if you're an educated, Muslim yourself? |
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weigookin74
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Dan123 wrote: |
| BleedingBlue wrote: |
| Sorry, but there is no reason for non-native-English speakers to teach English (especially spoken English). Students can learn poor pronunciation just as easily from their Chinese teachers. |
I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot here to bother even responding to you, but haven't you ever met a non-native English speaker who speaks Chinese better than the average Chinese English teacher? The average Swede speaks far better English than almost any Chinese English teacher I've met in my life for example. I know plenty of people from non-native English speaking countries who speak fluently with almost no trace of a foreign accent. |
Scandinavians do tend to be nearly fluent. They ar | |
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