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elliot_spencer
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 Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:32 am Post subject: Salary at Dipont |
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Hey guys, does anyone know the salary that Dipont offers, I've searched on the net and it just says good salary. Does anyone know if it would be in the 20000RMB range per month?
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tomstone
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| All of their job descriptions say: "Competitive and incremental salary package". I would assume that anyplace that was paying 20000 would have it in BIG BOLD type. |
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SnoopBot
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Salary at Dipont |
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| elliot_spencer wrote: |
Hey guys, does anyone know the salary that Dipont offers, I've searched on the net and it just says good salary. Does anyone know if it would be in the 20000RMB range per month?
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No idea, but a leading joint-university near Shanghai has a similar stated salary range as this for a: 2-years experienced, MA Ed in TESOL holder.
The sad fact is they always find some kind of justification to pay a very reduced wage compared to their advertisements with a promise upon completing a 1-year training/introduction wage. After 1-year FT's were not allowed to renew contracts or given additional excuses for the reduced pay.
This institution was getting certified MA Ed holders for long hours at a very low rate. You can find a few negative stories about them here on Dave's.
So be careful when you see such huge pay levels compared to other institutions regardless if you meet the qualifications they desire. Be prepared for a "bait and switch" act.
If you do get a good position, be sure to post back here on Dave's that the salary levels are true, it's good to get positive reports to counter the large amount of negative ones. |
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yaramaz
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I know a couple who recently interviewed there and the salary offered was 22,700 (approx- not sure if net or gross) plus paid holidays and airfare. However, they seem to be in some sort of shake up, staff-wise, and are hiring only people with MA TESOL/B.Ed/PGCE quals. Some people who are there now may not be renewed, from what it sounds. Who knows. |
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SnoopBot
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| yaramaz wrote: |
| I know a couple who recently interviewed there and the salary offered was 22,700 (approx- not sure if net or gross) plus paid holidays and airfare. However, they seem to be in some sort of shake up, staff-wise, and are hiring only people with MA TESOL/B.Ed/PGCE quals. Some people who are there now may not be renewed, from what it sounds. Who knows. |
That sounds like the university I was talking about, same level of credentials. However, I know a co-worker that had a MA Ed in TESOL and at least 5-years experience, when he actually took the job his salary was lowered until a certain training probationary time was completed. That ended up his whole contract period. They came up with some excuse to increase his salary only an extra 1000 RMB a month if he agreed to renew 1-extra year.
I'm sure he was teaching at least 30-hours a week plus an additional 10-hours of office time, it was a full 40-hour position. His salary was 8000 RMB a month, a lot less than the advertised 20K.
This was their training wage and they used this salary to attract the best and pay them a training wage until they left. Nobody ever came close to that salary level.
This FT had two published books and was an awesome teacher, so I am positive poor ability or a training period was NOT needed in his case.
The school just wanted the best but didn't want to pay for this experience so used the typical Chinese wage scheme.
Be careful in those contracts about a probation period or some other clause that will restrict or prevent you from getting those wages they originally offer.
Some hire those pay levels for a full time position but will short your actual teaching periods so you never go above the full time higher end scale but will increase the "office hours" and just not pay you for it.
You must READ everything very carefully. |
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tomstone
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Chinese? I've seen it everywhere. "Fifteen hundred dollars a week stuffing envelopes." Sound familiar? |
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SnoopBot
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Chinese? I've seen it everywhere. "Fifteen hundred dollars a week stuffing envelopes." Sound familiar? |
yes about right, the sad thing is the unsupervised admin staff or greedy owners of the McMill's.
Chinese have no problem cheating each other and to cheat a laowei is the ultimate "face booster" in many Chinese circles.
I didn't used to believe this until after a few years in China, this was a main reason I left.
Money is God, the sad fact is most of these sweat shop or corruption crooks now live in expensive areas here in Los Angeles too. |
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whitehouse
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:00 am Post subject: Dipont |
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| Dipont in the past at least gets its teachers to teach a minimum of 26 hours a week and on top of that there is a lot of marking of homwework. If you are a teacher you have to be there all day working office hours if not teaching, In the past as well there has been a quick turnover of management as well as teaching staff and some branches have not been happy places to work. You will get more than 20000 a month if a subject teacher for all of this stress, plus accommodation money. |
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SnoopBot
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| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Dipont |
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| whitehouse wrote: |
| Dipont in the past at least gets its teachers to teach a minimum of 26 hours a week and on top of that there is a lot of marking of homwework. If you are a teacher you have to be there all day working office hours if not teaching, In the past as well there has been a quick turnover of management as well as teaching staff and some branches have not been happy places to work. You will get more than 20000 a month if a subject teacher for all of this stress, plus accommodation money. |
Yes this is the normal thing, the extra stress for money. At least they do pay a decent wage. Many institutions try to short-change the FT's without the higher wages but with the additional stress.
One thing, you mention high turn-over of management, this is not a good indication and shows deeper problems that might need investigating further by the interested FT.
If the management shake-ups are due to creating a better atmosphere, well that is a positive trend. However, most management shakeups are centered on making a higher profit which means the FT's end up getting the shaft 90% of the time to boost bottom-lines.
This needs investigated by any potential interested FT. |
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Mr. Ed
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| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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It is my experience that there are higher paying jobs at International Schools and Joint Venture Universities.
Usually these jobs require real academic credentials and actual teaching experience.
It is also my observation that the higher paying jobs also involve a higher level of chaos and more teaching hours plus office hours plus extra activities. More work equals more pay.
This is what my eyes and ears tell me. |
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China.Pete
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:57 am Post subject: Working at Dipont |
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| Along with other higher-end A-Level schools, Dipont should pay �20-30,000 a month, including the usual benefits. Hours should be in the neighborhood of 24 per week plus office time, but a PGCE is not necessarily required. Turnover is high, for various reasons, but the quality of students is usually good. |
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waxwing
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Working at Dipont |
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| China.Pete wrote: |
| Along with other higher-end A-Level schools, Dipont should pay �20-30,000 a month, including the usual benefits. Hours should be in the neighborhood of 24 per week plus office time, but a PGCE is not necessarily required. Turnover is high, for various reasons, but the quality of students is usually good. |
A good summary, I would agree on every point. I taught with them for a short while a couple of years back. Was very chaotic so I moved to a very similar but more stable environment. My area is Maths, Physics, I'm not sure to what extent salaries might be a bit lower for the English teachers(?) - anyway for sure the salaries are much higher than the "normal" ones. You'd need to be ready to teach IGCSE (Second and First Language, I think) as well as IELTS maybe.
I'm not sure what criteria they look for in the English teaching departments; I don't think most of the people they get have PGCEs (unlike for the technical subjects where it's very, very greatly preferred) so they must decide on other bases.
For some reason we always get these knee-jerk reactions on this board that people are "lying" when talking about 20K+ salaries. I'll try to charitable and call those reactions "incautious". Anyway, you can ignore that; they do exist, they're just not easy to find, and pretty much impossible to get if you can't offer a very good teaching background. |
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Mr. Ed
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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New York University has a JV in Nanjing that pays 20 - 30,000
SILC in Shanghai pays 12,000 and up.
The high paying jobs are available to the properly qualified. Unfortunately everyone thinks they are properly qualified. |
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China.Pete
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject: Discrimination Between Teachers |
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"I'm not sure to what extent salaries might be a bit lower for the English teachers..." -- Waxwing
Waxwing raises an important point. A-Level schools will sometimes discriminate against English teachers, paying somewhat less than the �20,000 a month paid to "real" teachers. |
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Mr. Ed
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Subject teachers are usually paid higher than Engl;ish teachers.
Subject teachers usually teach fewer hours each week (8 to 12) than English teachers (16 - 24). |
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