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water rat



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:23 am    Post subject: Work in the Baltic States Reply with quote

What is the ESL situation in Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia? Wages, visa status, etc. Does any one have information on this please?

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amisexy



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you an EU citizen?

All the countries use the Euro now, which has pushed prices one way. Estonia is fairly expensive. Latvia and Lithuania aren't too bad.
From what I understand wages are around subsistence level. I've mainly seen 700-800 Euros per month.

You see jobs advertised online sometimes. I imagine there's more money to made on the ground. But I haven't any teaching experience there.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived in Estonia between 2006 and 2011, and then on and off since 2012, and the English level of young people is basically like the Nordic countries. A recent EU survey ranked the English language fluency of Estonian children as third best in the EU.
Very little TEFL jobs available, but high schools take native speakers, especially in smaller towns and villages because there is a lack of teachers in Estonian schools.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ccoll wrote:
I lived in Estonia between 2006 and 2011, and then on and off since 2012, and the English level of young people is basically like the Nordic countries. A recent EU survey ranked the English language fluency of Estonian children as third best in the EU.
Very little TEFL jobs available, but high schools take native speakers, especially in smaller towns and villages because there is a lack of teachers in Estonian schools.
Really!? Good for the Estonians. Who knew? Thank you for your reply. (Who were numbers one and two then? Sweden and, erm, Britain?)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Netherlands were first followed by Sweden, and I meant to say most fluent speakers of English as a second language.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ccoll wrote:
I think the Netherlands were first followed by Sweden, and I meant to say most fluent speakers of English as a second language.
I know. I'm joking. Still, good for the Estonians. I wonder why the Lithuanians and Latvians can't keep up with them. Is their language more like English somehow than those other two Baltic states?

And where do Latvia and Lithuania rank?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a major reason is television. All non-Estonian language tv shows and movies are shown in the native language with Estonian subtitles, and the most common language you hear on tv besides Estonian is English.
Last time I was in Latvia and Lithuania I remember everything was dubbed, not sure about nowadays.
Let me know if you visit Estonia and we can meet.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Estonian and Finnish are the furthest languages from English in Europe, even Latvian and Lithuanian are slightly closer to English.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ccoll wrote:
I think a major reason is television. All non-Estonian language tv shows and movies are shown in the native language with Estonian subtitles, and the most common language you hear on tv besides Estonian is English.


Just shows to go ya. The ear is faster than the eye.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Estonian and Finnish are the furthest languages from English in Europe,


I think you can add Magyar to the list above (Hungarian).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't underestimate the power of Cartoon Network! On a more serious note, my daughter's school teaches English starting from the 1st grade. Some start in 2nd grade, others in 4th, but the point is that the kids get formal English instruction at an early age. I work in 2 highly ranked gymnasiums and the new 10th graders we get every year come in at the B2/B2+ level.
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jm2505



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Work in the Baltic States Reply with quote

water rat wrote:
What is the ESL situation in Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia? Wages, visa status, etc. Does any one have information on this please?


The situation is that these countries are not part of Russia and are not CIS countries.

They became independent 25 years ago and are in the EU

Estonians certainly will not thank you for thinking otherwise!

Joanne - Now in Estonia
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still reasonable enough demand in Latvia. Pay at language schools has flatlined, though. Pre-economic crisis you could have got 14 euro an hour net, now it's more like 12, so you're better off going the private route at the first opportunity. This is the first year that I've noticed a change in the market and a definite trend away from an adult-heavy market towards more young learners.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonniboy wrote:
Still reasonable enough demand in Latvia. Pay at language schools has flatlined, though. Pre-economic crisis you could have got 14 euro an hour net, now it's more like 12, so you're better off going the private route at the first opportunity. This is the first year that I've noticed a change in the market and a definite trend away from an adult-heavy market towards more young learners.
A trend toward young learners actually sounds like a sign of an overall better, steadily improving economy to me. Good luck to you, Latvia, and thanks J. for your input.
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