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[star32569]

I have the 3 letters needed to get another job. My question is now can I leave the country and come back to start my job in march. The new job is saying no problem but I don't want to be surprised at the airport. My permit is good till May 17 so I am told I can come and go but when you transfer jobs I thought I had 30 days to do this. I received my letter of release January 2nd but my new school wants me to come back Feb 25th to do all the paperwork. Also they state they need my original copies of my degrees, has this happened for anyone else, after two jobs I have never needed this.

[Unchained English]

Title "FEC cancelled letter of ref and letter of release"


What does this mean? Normally, the school does this. I did it in person with the PSB and took it directly to my new school. If they do it, they would send it to the new school. If they are being tough, they give you the letter of reference with letter of release and criminal check document which states you haven't done anything wrong.

So, what is the problem? Please specify.


"now can I leave the country and come back to start my job in march."

Is that a question? If so, no. You have to apply and go through the process. This means, you give the school your passport. After a few weeks, you get a new residence permit in your passport.

How do you expect to return to China in/for March when they look at your passport and see no new residence permit? You are going to wave these magical 3 documents in their face and hypnotize them?


"My permit is good till May 17"


What permit? From the old school? You are supposed to get your residence permit transferred to the new school. Do it now, then you can leave. Simple.


"my new school wants me to come back Feb 25th to do all the paperwork."

For a March job? Are you crazy? You want them to process things Thursday and Friday? Only 2 days? February ends on the 28 which is a Saturday.

DO IT NOW!!! Get your residence permit for 1/15/15 to 1/14/16 then leave.


"Also they state they need my original copies of my degrees"

What does this mean? Either it is an original or it is a copy. There are no "original copies". Get a new copy if you don't have one. Simple.


Your English needs to be refined in order to understand you more clearly. I have never communicated the way you have and assume there are problems in translation with proper English to your version of English.

This is a rather simple process and you should have started this in December. Then you could leave in January or February without any worries. The cause of the problem is you might be running out of time. Go now, get the residence permit, then leave.

[star32569]

I have a permit good till May 17. It is obviously holiday First of Februrary, so it is not a quick deal. I do not have housing now so I am in a rush. But schools say 1 month to transfer minus the holiday. I can go to a friends in kroea and realax. I am considering all issue, my school cancelled all documents I am free from them. Trying to verify the new information is correct is all. English is the least of my worries right now.

[Unchained English]

"I have a permit good till May 17."

The residence permit is given AFTER you show an FEC which is AFTER you show a Z visa. This is usually how it is done. So, this permit is associated with your old school.

You are supposed to get this canceled and have a new one put in. I have done this half a dozen times as I often leave schools before the year is up.


"I can go to a friends in kroea and realax. I am considering all issue, my school cancelled all documents I am free from them."

The airport officers won't care about your work arrangements. There is nothing out of the ordinary and they most likely will assume you are returning to your old school.

I would keep all flight records and such because you might be asked why you didn't apply before the holiday. In my case, I had to go back to my old school and get the updated release date.

It might help if the new school sends someone to do all the talking at the PSB. Pretend to know nothing. "I don't know why they didn't cancel my residence permit until now officer. They should have, they knew I was going to a new school."

[vikeologist]

Oh, Star,Star, Star. You do love asking incredibly complex questions without giving all the information we need, or at least explaining it thoroughly.

All your old visas / permits become invalid when you finish the job.

The documents that you have in order to get your new (Z) visa will specify where (which country) you will obtain the visa. That's what those documents are for.

To be honest, the above information may not be relevant because I'm not sure I understand your situation.

here's the process

A. Documents to obtain Z visa (and there's only two of them that you get from your employer, but never mind. better to have too many than not enough)

B. Get Z visa from visa issuing office (outside mainland and as specified on letter of invitation)

C Enter China

D Get Z visa changed to residency permit within 1 month.

[asiannationmc]

[Unchained English]

"To be honest, the above information may not be relevant because I'm not sure I understand your situation."

The original poster doesn't need another Z visa (yet).

The original poster has waited until the last minute to make a nice smooth transfer from one job at one school to another job at another school. Now, they can't easily get the transfer.

The original poster wants to buy some grace period time by using their old school's residence permit. This is risky, but schools usually don't bother canceling residence permits. This is done when the new school has the new FEC. If it was canceled on January 2, then the new school had time to get a new FEC. They are also trying to buy time as they would prefer having a teacher from March 2015 to March 2016 instead of January where they won't be working 2 months. It's in the new school's interest to tell the teacher to wait, and perhaps the original poster only thinks they could "benefit" here.

Areas of concern include making sure the old FEC is canceled before the new school applies for a new FEC. Until then, no new residence permit can be issued. The school will then have a document which states the FEC is canceled.

Another concern are the dates. There will be about a 2.5 month gap between cancelation and issuance of a new FEC. A plausible scenario is they return and find out they need documents with different dates.

I suggest the following idea. The school would apply for the FEC at the end of January. Let's say the original poster returns to China on March 1, so make the FEC start on March 9. This gives the new school and new teacher a week to apply for the new residence permit. If the FEC is not issued at that point, wait.

Make sure to make copies of the application and any receipts given or received (use your camera on your cell phone and copy at the PSB if they have a machine available), especially making sure the dates stamped and written are clearly legible. If you are asked about any gap of time, you can show the application forms. With the Chinese new year holiday, time is on your side.

Remember to smile and say you love China, and if they ask anything out of the ordinary follow Rodrick's advice, "Deny deny deny."

[star32569]

Wondering if anyone else has any opinion before I decide to leave. I don't want to pay overstay fees and I am not sure legally what I can do. I have permit till May and I was released in January. I hear the old job can report me, I called to verify they don't know. I wanted to transfer but all jobs have been dragging their feet and want me to start March. I thought this was not a problem but I am not sure.

1 I am considering going out of country and then coming back if I can't enter I guess I know that my permit was cancelled. IF I can then I can start the new jobs.

2 staying and paying the overstay fee but then am I still suppose to leave. Also can schools arrange anything for me to pay the fee or still transfer my documents.

I am unclear of my situation if anyone can help make things clear for me.

[mysterytrain]