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Hatcher



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:50 pm    Post subject: Self publishing online in China? Reply with quote

Does anyone have any experience publishing?

Any help would be helpful.
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doogsville



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Publishing is the easy part, and just the beginning. If you want to sell your self published work these days you also have to do a lot of marketing, usually in the form of blogging, having a Facebook group, a Twitter feed and maintaining a website etc. I'm dipping a toe in those waters myself. The writing part I like, but all the other stuff is hard work for me.

Obviously, a good and reliable vpn is going to be a must. Then you need to do some research. A quick Google will throw up some useful information, but only if you can use it through the aforementioned software.Then look here https://kickass.so/usearch/self%20publishing/ and also here https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A37Z49E2DDQPP3&ref_=gs There are also a ton of blogs about various writers self publishing experiences.

I've published a book on Amazon, I won't publicise it here, since I never really intended to sell it, I just wanted to try out the experience. The hardest part for me was creating a cover for the book. I'm not an artist, and even if I had wanted to really sell the book I couldn't afford to pay for professional artwork just now. Similarly, I didn't pay to have the book edited, and now it's been published and someone bought it they published a review that basically says it's full of grammatical errors. Most of them will be typos I think, since my grammar is usually pretty okay, but it's a bit embarrassing to see such a review of my work, so next time I will only publish after I've had the manuscript professionally edited. Again, this can be a considerable expense if your only income is from teaching in China.

There are markets other than Amazon of course, but they are probably easier to use for the first time self publisher.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've monitored the online and self-publishing "industry" for several years. I wouldn't consider publishing anything in China for the simple fact that piracy is rampant here. Traditional publishing is probably preferable, but once one sample book is distributed out by a publisher, it's as good as in the public domain. FTs are probably as guilty of piracy as are Chinese teachers. (My experience is that my schools have frowned upon it, but one FT managed to download a whole Longman Series grammar textbook and copy it en masse). I am sure, however, that someone has actually made money from publishing in the PRC.

I think doogsville is on-target about everything. You must self-promote not only as a writer but as an educator, assuming that you are considering publishing a school textbook. (This is true in the traditional publishing industry. Publishers won't go out on a limb for an unknown). Traditional western publishers readily accept books for publication from established American university professors because the professors have a built-in readership. It is expected that the professor and his cronies will make the book required reading. (I am still smarting after having blown a couple hundred dollars through the years on faculty-authored books that were never read).

Copy editors are a good idea. They catch the typos and grammatical errors as well as awkward language. Content editors can help you trim your manuscript and eliminate unnecessary verbage.

There's a pretty good online forum for writers and publishers. It may be found at http://www.writers.net/.
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RiverMystic



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get editors dirt cheap on elance.com. Post a project, and you'll get probably at least 30 bids. If you go for less experienced editors, and/or those from places like India and the Phillippines, it costs almost nothing.

I've published several mainstream books, and quite a few self-published. It's not easy marketing. I write weekly for a popular American online magazine, and often link the topics to one or more of my books. I get anywhere from 50-1200 likes for my articles, but that still translates to only about 2-5 book sales per article. My most recent article has got 500 likes so far, and I've sold two Amazon books during that time. So that tells you how challenging things are.

You can self-publish hard copies cheaply through companies like Lightning Source. They also link you to Amazon or other book sites.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is Amazon's current cut on its published books now?Is it still 68%/32%?
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RiverMystic



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
What is Amazon's current cut on its published books now?Is it still 68%/32%?


Off the top of my head it's 33% for books under $2.99, 67% for books at or over that price. Or pretty close to that.
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
I've monitored the online and self-publishing "industry" for several years. I wouldn't consider publishing anything in China for the simple fact that piracy is rampant here. Traditional publishing is probably preferable, but once one sample book is distributed out by a publisher, it's as good as in the public domain. FTs are probably as guilty of piracy as are Chinese teachers. (My experience is that my schools have frowned upon it, but one FT managed to download a whole Longman Series grammar textbook and copy it en masse). I am sure, however, that someone has actually made money from publishing in the PRC.

I think doogsville is on-target about everything. You must self-promote not only as a writer but as an educator, assuming that you are considering publishing a school textbook. (This is true in the traditional publishing industry. Publishers won't go out on a limb for an unknown). Traditional western publishers readily accept books for publication from established American university professors because the professors have a built-in readership. It is expected that the professor and his cronies will make the book required reading. (I am still smarting after having blown a couple hundred dollars through the years on faculty-authored books that were never read).

Copy editors are a good idea. They catch the typos and grammatical errors as well as awkward language. Content editors can help you trim your manuscript and eliminate unnecessary verbage.

There's a pretty good online forum for writers and publishers. It may be found at http://www.writers.net/.


I've been reading around the web of late on the prevalence of plagiarism in China. Of particular concern is young college professors who lift content wholesale from other works and pass it off as their own. One guy in BJ has been censured for this but I suspect he is just a scapegoat. A bit like media coverage of bootleg DVDs being bulldozed over, which you see from time to time.
The reason for academic plagiarism has been equated as the academic branch of the get rich quick approach of the public sector.
Another problem seems to be that newly minted PhDs in China are likely to be taken on as staff in the schools they graduated from. In the West this is a rarity and while a PhD alum may rejoin his alma mater it will be much later as an established scholar.
The Chinese are promoted at a young age to full professor and there is a huge expectation of multiple scholarly books flowing from him/her.
This leads to plagiarism.
As to counterfeiting i.e. wholesale copying there isn't even the loop through plagiarism it is straight out theft.
I bought Bill Clinton's autobiography in Dalian in 2005 as a bootleg about 1m after it was commercially published in the US.
Back on the topic of plagiarism I was asked by a Masters student to do an edit of her thesis. Multiple pages were cut and pasted from Wikipedia with the [citation needed] bits still in it.
She was an English major.
I would be interested in knowing what major Western textbook publishers feel about publishing for China.
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