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star32569
Joined: 16 Dec 2014
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 Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:08 am Post subject: Z visa signing contracts |
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Hello,
Question. I know when you sign a contract you are making a committment. But in my experience I have signed some contracts and they changed their mind and I was out a job. I also understand contracts do not mean much in china.
Wondering if I sign a contract with 2 places are there any consequences other than the schools will be pissed. Asking because I have 2 offers but I am only interested in 4 months and both have seened flaky about wanting a person for a year. Which is fine but I had already signed and they just don't seems steady so I found another in case they find someone else. The other school is a major company and can care less they just need numbers.
Neither of the schools are serious in my opinion because I asked to move in right away and they said no wait til March.
I put Z visa cause with other visas you are illegal it does not matter. With a Z what can the company do to me if they find out I signed with another school. Also to add to it some of these jobs are unclear of the transfer process they say they need my original degree which I don't have but have ordered so if it does not come in time I can't start anyways. |
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Alien abductee
Joined: 08 Jun 2014
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Location: Kuala Lumpur
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| If you sign a year-long contract but have no intention of staying past four months, then don't bother. Making a commitment you have no intention fulfilling puts you in the flaky category, and there are already too many flakes here as it is. |
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Unchained English
Joined: 31 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| Well, the school may not like it. Or, maybe they will. Ask them. It will be a new semester starting March and if you work until June or partly into it, that might all the school needs before September. Better to find that kind of job now than in the fall. |
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Bud Powell
Joined: 11 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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I am assuming that you are in your home country and that this is your first foray into teaching in China.
Maybe I'm missing something, but both schools will help you to get a residence permit. If you get an RP to work for one but refuse to get one for the other, the jig is up. You can't have two current residence permits AFAIK. One will know about the other. Same situation exists with the Z visa.
If the school seems flaky, why would you want to teach there?
If you leave the job after four months without mutual agreement, you have broken your contract and you are in violation of the law.
Neither of the schools are serious in my opinion because I asked to move in right away and they said no wait til March.
The school may not need anyone until March. If the School offers living quarters, there may not be anywhere to stay because someone may be living in the quarters where you will be living.
Also, the long holiday has arrived, and there will be no one to take you for a physical exam or to process a residence permit, both of which are necessary in order to stay in china on a work visa.
If you intend to leave after four months, what do you expect to do with the remaining time on your RP? Do you think you'll be allowed to galavant about the country?
How much thought did you give your decision to work in China? I think you need to do a lot of homework. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Bud is right.
The school has a limited number of days after you arrive to get your paperwork to the PSB.
Don't underestimate the importance of Chinese NY.
A 'I can spare you 10 mins China' approach isn't the right one and I can't imagine an employer in your home country would react well to your plan either. |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:25 am Post subject: |
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A 'I can spare you 10 mins China' approach isn't the right one and I can't imagine an employer in your home country would react well to your plan either.
Dang. I meant to say that.  |
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star32569
Joined: 16 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:00 am Post subject: Update |
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Contract is March to June
They know this I Told them I want it
I did not say it was a year
If I find another job before March and want to take it an dof course tell the old one. Can they do anything to me |
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star32569
Joined: 16 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:00 am Post subject: Update |
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Contract is March to June
They know this I Told them I want it
I did not say it was a year
If I find another job before March and want to take it an dof course tell the old one. Can they do anything to me |
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Alien abductee
Joined: 08 Jun 2014
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Location: Kuala Lumpur
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Z visa signing contracts |
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| star32569 wrote: |
Contract is March to June
I did not say it was a year |
That's not what you said at the start.
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| Asking because I have 2 offers but I am only interested in 4 months and both have seened flaky about wanting a person for a year. |
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| I have the 3 letters needed to get another job. My question is now can I leave the country and come back to start my job in march. The new job is saying no problem but I don't want to be surprised at the airport. My permit is good till May 17 so I am told I can come and go but when you transfer jobs I thought I had 30 days to do this. I received my letter of release January 2nd but my new school wants me to come back Feb 25th to do all the paperwork. Also they state they need my original copies of my degrees, has this happened for anyone else, after two jobs I have never needed this. |
If you don't want any potential surprises by leaving the country and trying to come back (you must mean the old employer having your residence permit cancelled in the near future?) then you might need to find a place to stay for the next 27 days right here in China. If your new employer is in the same town or not too far away, then pay them a visit and see if they can hook you up with low cost accommodation till 25 Feb. Unfortunately you're trying to do this at a very bad time. As for the original copy of the degree, some places ask for it and others don't. I had to provide mine but I had it on-hand so it wasn't a problem producing it. Apologies if none of this is helpful but to be honest your posts aren't easy to follow (adding the bit about the Z visa isn't helpful either because right now you don't need that.) |
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star32569
Joined: 16 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:21 am Post subject: Difficult |
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How can I make it more clear.
I have a place but I am worried if I stay here for 27 days then I will be an overstay and need to pay the 500rmb a day. I don't know my options, should I ask immigration. My old city was in the sticks nobody knew anything I was lost. I am not staying in hangzhou...the recruiters are telling me anything...I am confused in what I can do to get another job.
Staying 60 days after leaving an old job on a permit that expires May 17. Am I illegal. Will they call and tell me my visa status changed. How does this work in china? |
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Shanghai Noon
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Location: Shanghai, China
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| After you leave a job, you have 10 days to tell the Public Security Bureau that your employment status has changed. The Public Security Bureau then gives you a humanitarian visa. However, if you are changing jobs it might be in your best interest to overstay rather than get a humanitarian visa. SAFEA (in Shanghai) will not allow you to transfer an FEC if you are on a humanitarian visa. Yes, you read that correctly. The laws of the two government bureaus totally contradict each other. The only way to comply is either to fly to Hong Kong to reapply, or ask one of the bureaus to cut you a favor. In my case, I overstayed. They didn't levy the fine, and actually in the end I saved about 1,000RMB in visa fees. |
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mysterytrain
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Difficult |
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| star32569 wrote: |
How can I make it more clear.
should I ask immigration.
Am I illegal. Will they call and tell me my visa status changed. |
One way in which you could "make it more clear", and certainly far less annoying, would be by ending interrogative sentences with the character '?'.
You clearly have the key for this character on the device you've used to post here, since you've actually used it at least once:
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| How does this work in china? |
Seriously, I hope you are teaching conversational English only and nothing to do with writing, because based on what you've shown here, you'd be doing more harm than good.
Schools / employers are not being "flaky" by wanting or even insisting on teachers making commitments for one year (or more), and the fact that some will accept shorter-term commitments certainly does not make the other ones "flaky". First, they have a right to make the condtions under which they hire someone, and second, there are very valid reasons for schools to want teachers who will agree to a contract of a year or more. |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously, I hope you are teaching conversational English only and nothing to do with writing, because based on what you've shown here, you'd be doing more harm than good.
Schools / employers are not being "flaky" by wanting or even insisting on teachers making commitments for one year (or more), and the fact that some will accept shorter-term commitments certainly does not make the other ones "flaky". First, they have a right to make the condtions under which they hire someone, and second, there are very valid reasons for schools to want teachers who will agree to a contract of a year or more. |
Does this poster deserve a "talkin too" or is this just an exercise in condescending behavior. I believe the word "flaky" was in reference to how they were acting as to his request, neither giving a real solid yes or no.
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| One way in which you could "make it more clear", and certainly far less annoying, would be by ending interrogative sentences with the character '?'. |
I would find this sentence annoying whether or not you incl. the ? |
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mysterytrain
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Does this poster deserve a "talkin too" or is this just an exercise in condescending behavior. |
Ah, yes. For those EFL teachers out there who see little or no meaningful connection between the words "English" and "teacher" in the term "teacher of English", my apologies.
In a world where breath, pulse, passport and degree are sufficient basic qualifications to "teach" a foreign language, why quibble over minor details like basic competencies, especially when there are plenty of employers and victims ... sorry, students ... who can't really tell the difference? It makes me sad for the students taught by those who lack them, however, and if I were one of them (students), I should be even sadder. Some of us actually care about these things, and yes, if the OP teaches others to do as s/he does in terms of writing, I think s/he deserves a reproof for it. I'm not an employer of English teachers, but if I were, I wouldn't hire him or her to teach doodley-squat after seeing such an example. Children are taught basic punctuation in grade school. I certainly was, and I teach it to children in grade school now. I wouldn't want someone who is too careless to use question marks in their own writing teaching my kids.
Would you want a person who writes in a similar way teaching you French, Russian, Swahili, Spanish, Urdu, Japanese, Mandarin, etc, even if they were a "native speaker"? Would you want to pay to be taught by someone who either hasn't mastered basic punctuation, or is too careless to use it, even on an internet forum? I doubt it.
And look, there's a "report post" button here if you find my post offensive or believe it is in violation of the PG, but I don't really give a rabid bat's crap if you found my attempt at "constructive criticism" annoying. It's your opinion versus mine. |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Would you want a person who writes in a similar way teaching you French, Russian, Swahili, Spanish, Urdu, Japanese, Mandarin, etc, even if they were a "native speaker"? Would you want to pay to be taught by someone who either hasn't mastered basic punctuation, or is too careless to use it, even on an internet forum? I doubt it. |
I wouldn't want to assume that a persons ability was in any way tied to a post on a board or that it would indicate a level of skills in a classroom. Although I would find a condescending attitude, distasteful.
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| And look, there's a "report post" button here if you find my post offensive or believe it is in violation of the PG, but I don't really give a rabid bat's crap if you found my attempt at "constructive criticism" annoying. It's your opinion versus mine. |
Of course it is your right to post anything you want. The fact that you had to throw down the gauntlet of a mod report is a testimony to a leap into hyperbole. Don't get your sheepskin in a wad, no one wants to report ya. Drama much? |
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