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jfbackpack



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:52 am    Post subject: Newbie asking for pros and cons of where to teach in Asia Reply with quote

Hey folks, looking for a life change, and have my mind set on teaching English in Asia. Just found this site; I know there's lots of info, and I am looking for input from people in a country or had a recent job somewhere.
Money isn't the only concern, but I do want to make a little, save a little and travel.

Here's my questions:
--I'm considering China, Taiwan, Thailand, and Japan. Could someone give thoughts on any particular one of these, or just a general overview of this group?

--What are the main things to consider when searching and applying for jobs in these countries?

I appreciate any and all input you may have.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you checked the country-specific Asia forums (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/index.php?c=3)? That's really where you should do your research and post these questions.

By the way, be aware you'll need at least a BA. A TEFL cert may also be required for some countries.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's lots of options, but tell us a little bit more about yourself first.

Do you have a BA degree? What age group(s) are you interested in and willing to work with? Do you have any previous teaching or tutoring experience? Have completed a TESOL certificate?

For Thailand, you typically need to be in the country to apply for jobs in person. China, Korea, Japan and, I think, Taiwan typically hire from abroad which, if this is your first time teaching, will be a bit easier to arrange and will cover the cost of your airfare.

A good place to begin is by browsing the forums for the countries you are interested in and posting more specific questions there.
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:09 am    Post subject: Re: Newbie asking for pros and cons of where to teach in Asi Reply with quote

jfbackpack wrote:
Hey folks, looking for a life change, and have my mind set on teaching English in Asia. Just found this site; I know there's lots of info, and I am looking for input from people in a country or had a recent job somewhere.
Money isn't the only concern, but I do want to make a little, save a little and travel.

Here's my questions:
--I'm considering China, Taiwan, Thailand, and Japan. Could someone give thoughts on any particular one of these, or just a general overview of this group?

--What are the main things to consider when searching and applying for jobs in these countries?

I appreciate any and all input you may have.


The main things to consider are:
1) do you have a degree to go with your US passport?
If yes then start applying.
If no, then legal work is not an option. Illegal work abounds but is not without risk (not getting paid, arrested and deported, etc).

2) Do you have bills at home that you have to pay off?
If yes, then Korea/Japan are about your only realistic options.
If no, then start applying.


3) Do be aware that being an EFL teacher is a GRIND and not a working vacation (in spite of what the dream seller websites say) ?
- You won't be spending your "mornings on the beach, afternoons in the classroom and evenings in the disco" and "treking on the weekends".
- With your 20-30 "classroom hours" you will be spending 40-60 hours at the school doing prep, marking papers, creating lesson plans and making materials.

If you're OK with that then start applying.

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china/
http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/

If you check google you can probably come up with about 1 million more job listings for EFL teachers.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Newbie asking for pros and cons of where to teach in Asi Reply with quote

Thanks for the info so far. I am 23, have a bachelor's degree (math). I have done plenty of sales trainings, but not direct classroom experience. Studied Chinese in high school, some Spanish in college, open to learning whatever language.

No major debt, just student loans for a few years. I am fine with working, I just want to sample life in Asia for a year or more, since I know nothing about it. Not interested in volunteering, I do want to be in a position to make some money, put some away, and travel/vacation when I can.

I like working with kids, whether elementary, middle, or high school.

I have heard that Taiwan and Japan pay the best, Korea is in the middle, China and Thailand are on the low side. Also, I heard mostly good things about the JET Program. Any affirmation on this info is appreciated. Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Newbie asking for pros and cons of where to teach in Asi Reply with quote

jfbackpack wrote:
I have heard that Taiwan and Japan pay the best, Korea is in the middle, China and Thailand are on the low side. Also, I heard mostly good things about the JET Program. Any affirmation on this info is appreciated.

Again, visit the country-specific forums for details and to post your questions. You'll get more responses, especially from those presently working in your target countries.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:22 am    Post subject: Re: Newbie asking for pros and cons of where to teach in Asi Reply with quote

jfbackpack wrote:
Thanks for the info so far. I am 23, have a bachelor's degree (math). I have done plenty of sales trainings, but not direct classroom experience. Studied Chinese in high school, some Spanish in college, open to learning whatever language.

No major debt, just student loans for a few years. I am fine with working, I just want to sample life in Asia for a year or more, since I know nothing about it. Not interested in volunteering, I do want to be in a position to make some money, put some away, and travel/vacation when I can.

I like working with kids, whether elementary, middle, or high school.

I have heard that Taiwan and Japan pay the best, Korea is in the middle, China and Thailand are on the low side. Also, I heard mostly good things about the JET Program. Any affirmation on this info is appreciated. Thanks again.


I have one more comment as you wend your way through the "packages". This is NOT home. Do NOT base your decision on salary alone.

Japan and Taiwan may pay a bit better but $2000 minus flight and housing in Taiwan vs $2000 + flight and housing in Korea or with JET.

30k thb won't go far in Bangkok but 50k as a math teacher goes a long way in Issan.

10k rmb lets you easily send your 60% home to pay bills if you are not in Beijing or Shanghai and still live a very comfortable lifestyle.

You need to look at the WHOLE package and not just the salary. The other "benefits" (flights, housing, holidays, severance package, etc) add up in a big way.

Get a real TEFL course under your belt; something with 120 hours + observed practicums.
It's not about having the cert (Photoshop works well for that) but about having some knowledge when you get dropped in front of 50 students with the singular instruction being, "Teach".
An on-line course from the popular (cheap) programs do little for you and in some cases are worse than useless.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:24 am    Post subject: Where to live in Asia Reply with quote

Thailand and China are great, but you can’t earn a real living as an English teacher in either place.

Due to the socioeconomic state of each country, you could make a smaller amount of US dollars, such as $600 per month, and live like a king in that country.

But at the end of the day, earning $600 a month would not amount to a great deal of savings to be put in banks with Uncle Sam.’
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:40 am    Post subject: Re: Where to teach in Asia Reply with quote

Taiwan has a lot of opportunities and pays well, but they are hard to find.

I landed there, and people on the street had signs that offered foreigners English speaking jobs.

These are not always the best situations, but at the beginning, you take what you can get.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: Where to teach in Asia Reply with quote

Your best bet is the Japan Exchange & Teaching (JET) Program. This program is run by the government, which means it is dependable. And it is several decades old.

The starting salary is comparable to college graduates working in America, and you get tons of vacation time.

The best part about JET is you only have to be a native English speaker, and have a college degree.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Where to live in Asia Reply with quote

jfbackpack wrote:
Thailand and China are great, but you can’t earn a real living as an English teacher in either place.



Say's who?

I save far more than 600 dollars a month.

You haven't worked in any of these places yet, so your opinion is worthless, more listening and less yapping at this moment will get you somewhere. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: Where to teach in Asia Reply with quote

jfbackpack wrote:

The best part about JET is you only have to be a native English speaker, and have a college degree.


And the worst part is getting a place, both time consuming and competitive - Korea and EPIK/GEPIK have gone that way, which is a surprise, even to the Gods.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Where to teach in Asia Reply with quote

jfbackpack wrote:
Your best bet is the Japan Exchange & Teaching (JET) Program. This program is run by the government, which means it is dependable. And it is several decades old.

The starting salary is comparable to college graduates working in America, and you get tons of vacation time.

The best part about JET is you only have to be a native English speaker, and have a college degree.


I'm confused, are you answering your own question? Have you taught in Asia? Your first post implies that you have not, but your other posts indicate that you have, and that you know the market.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Where to teach in Asia Reply with quote

santi84 wrote:
jfbackpack wrote:
Your best bet is the Japan Exchange & Teaching (JET) Program. This program is run by the government, which means it is dependable. And it is several decades old.

The starting salary is comparable to college graduates working in America, and you get tons of vacation time.

The best part about JET is you only have to be a native English speaker, and have a college degree.

I'm confused, are you answering your own question? Have you taught in Asia? Your first post implies that you have not, but your other posts indicate that you have, and that you know the market.

I noticed that too. Another oddball thread where the OP starts out sounding like a young, clueless newbie, but a few posts later, has magically morphed into a seasoned 40-something year old with Asia TEFL experience. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Where to live in Asia Reply with quote

happyinshangqiu wrote:
jfbackpack wrote:
Thailand and China are great, but you can’t earn a real living as an English teacher in either place.



Say's who?

I save far more than 600 dollars a month.

You haven't worked in any of these places yet, so your opinion is worthless, more listening and less yapping at this moment will get you somewhere. Wink


I laughed so hard I just spat beer all over the comp! Laughing

It's EASY to save $$$ in the PRC!

Cheers!


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