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Black_Beer_Man
Joined: 26 Mar 2013 Posts: 453 Location: Yokohama
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:50 pm Post subject: Will The Tokyo 2020 Olympics Just Be a Big Waste of Money? |
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I was wondering what Japan will get in return for the huge money that will be spent on the 2020 Olympics?
Not much I think. It will be a big waste of money. The name of the city of Tokyo will enter people's memories all over the world for the 10 years that follow that Olympics, but beyond that, I don't see much in the way of benefits to Japan.
I base my opinion on what's followed the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Did the games cause any positive lasting changes in South Korea? The people there don't speak English any better today because of those games. Also, Seoul is still not a magnet for tourists from around the world. It remains a business city. The 1988 Olympics didn't reunite North and South Korea.
The only good thing that may have happened it that Samsung got better brand recognition around the world.
So, how differently will the Olympics impact Tokyo (compared with Seoul)? I somehow doubt that the people of Tokyo will build a working fluency in English and welcome foreign tourists with open arms. I am also not sure that the city's tourist industry will get a significant boost from having had the Olympics (compared with Seoul). One could easily make a convincing argument that Tokyo offers more entertainment choices than Seoul and most people would agree with that. However, given Tokyo's only fair performance in attracting western tourists, I am not sure if the Olympics will be able to stimulate so much interest in visiting Tokyo from abroad.
Why does Japan want the Olympics? One possible answer is because Japan feels jealous of China's ever increasing influence in the world. The Beijing Olympics were a phenomenal success. A friend of mine who loves the games, said that the Beijing Olympics opening ceremonies were the best he's ever seen. Tokyo probably feels the need to produce opening ceremonies which are more spectacular than Beijing's. Can they do it?
Anyway, the Tokyo 2020 Olympics looks like a high investment with little return.
What do you think? |
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Maitoshi
Joined: 04 May 2014 Posts: 718 Location: 何処でも
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, waste of money. |
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Maitoshi
Joined: 04 May 2014 Posts: 718 Location: 何処でも
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Still, not hard to beat the British opening ceremonies, eh? |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Maitoshi wrote: |
Still, not hard to beat the British opening ceremonies, eh? |
I hope you are being sarcastic as the London opening ceremony was quite sad and pathetic. Beijing's was triumphant and inspiring in contrast. |
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Maitoshi
Joined: 04 May 2014 Posts: 718 Location: 何処でも
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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NOT hard to beat, as in easy to beat. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Maitoshi wrote: |
NOT hard to beat, as in easy to beat. |
Doh! I read that wrong. Still pre-caffeinated. My bad. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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For the most part Olympic events aren't profitable to the host country. Especially long term benefits, there are almost none.
Thing is, it is built off the incorrect assumption that the Olympics put's a city/country on the map. It doesn't, or not for long. People have short memories, and don't take it into account when planning a trip.
I bet Japan will lose money on the Olympics. MAYBE a slight boost in tourism will even it out, but I doubt it. Tokyo and Japan are well known throughout the world, so this won't spark a major tourist jump like everyone thinks it will |
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RM1983
Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 360
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Itll make money for some people for sure, mainly the ones that already have more than enough. |
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Shonai Ben
Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 617
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:23 am Post subject: |
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It's a slap in the face to people here in Tohoku in my opinion.The money wasted on these olympics would be better spent rebuilding the damage done by the big quake and tsunami.
There are still many people living in shelters.The nuclear disaster is still not cleaned up.There are still damaged buildings that need to be torn down or rebuilt.......etc.
The list is endless. |
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RM1983
Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 360
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Shonai Ben wrote: |
It's a slap in the face to people here in Tohoku in my opinion.The money wasted on these olympics would be better spent rebuilding the damage done by the big quake and tsunami.
There are still many people living in shelters.The nuclear disaster is still not cleaned up.There are still damaged buildings that need to be torn down or rebuilt.......etc.
The list is endless. |
It's a "bread and circuses" thing isnt it? Britain is currently going into severe levels of poverty and many laws are coming in which have and will make life incredibly worse for the poor. There was a lot written about that before the Olympics but precious little notice was taken.
Likewise in Brazil, it seemed like half the country resented the World Cup and for similar reasons.
I remember in South Africa and I think China, people actually got evicted to make way for the smooth running of things
So it's no surprise that the displaced in Tohoku will be soundly ignored as the country gears up for a nice bit of back-slapping and flag-waving. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Agreed, the recent Olympic events, politically seem to be....yeah. I love the events, but hate the politics.
As for Tohoku, I read a little while in a forward earnings statement, either by Mitsui House, oe whatever developer, that their Olympic contracts are expected to raise their profits.
Which is sad, as yes Tohoku needs the wrok, and since the Olympic announcement, a lot of work has shifted back to being done in Tokyo now |
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RM1983
Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 360
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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rxk22 wrote: |
Agreed, the recent Olympic events, politically seem to be....yeah. I love the events, but hate the politics.
As for Tohoku, I read a little while in a forward earnings statement, either by Mitsui House, oe whatever developer, that their Olympic contracts are expected to raise their profits.
Which is sad, as yes Tohoku needs the wrok, and since the Olympic announcement, a lot of work has shifted back to being done in Tokyo now |
Pretty much how I feel about the World Cup. But then combine it with the tedious predictibilty of the media coverage etc it is almost unwatchable now.
You know that is gonna be the worst thing about the Olympics here, if you live here you are going to be bombarded, utterly saturated by all things Olympics for a long, long time |
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kzjohn
Joined: 30 Apr 2014 Posts: 277
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Will The Tokyo 2020 Olympics Just Be a Big Waste of Mone |
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Black_Beer_Man wrote: |
I was wondering what Japan will get in return for the huge money that will be spent on the 2020 Olympics?
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Not much I think. It will be a big waste of money. The name of the city of Tokyo will enter people's memories all over the world for the 10 years that follow that Olympics, but beyond that, I don't see much in the way of benefits to Japan.
2.
I base my opinion on what's followed the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Did the games cause any positive lasting changes in South Korea? The people there don't speak English any better today because of those games. Also, Seoul is still not a magnet for tourists from around the world. It remains a business city. The 1988 Olympics didn't reunite North and South Korea.
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The only good thing that may have happened it that Samsung got better brand recognition around the world.
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So, how differently will the Olympics impact Tokyo (compared with Seoul)? I somehow doubt that the people of Tokyo will build a working fluency in English and welcome foreign tourists with open arms. I am also not sure that the city's tourist industry will get a significant boost from having had the Olympics (compared with Seoul). One could easily make a convincing argument that Tokyo offers more entertainment choices than Seoul and most people would agree with that. However, given Tokyo's only fair performance in attracting western tourists, I am not sure if the Olympics will be able to stimulate so much interest in visiting Tokyo from abroad.
5.
Why does Japan want the Olympics? One possible answer is because Japan feels jealous of China's ever increasing influence in the world. The Beijing Olympics were a phenomenal success. A friend of mine who loves the games, said that the Beijing Olympics opening ceremonies were the best he's ever seen. Tokyo probably feels the need to produce opening ceremonies which are more spectacular than Beijing's. Can they do it?
Anyway, the Tokyo 2020 Olympics looks like a high investment with little return.
What do you think? |
1. Still, ten years of name recognition is not too bad...
2. 1988 was great for both Seoul and Korea (ROK). And I didn't know that becoming a hot tourist spot was a particularly important reason to host the games
3. These days, Samsung's sales are taking a hit from Xiaomi, and the like. But '88 was a boost.
4. I'm not sure about '88, but metro Seoul is now about 25M people, while metro Tokyo is 35+. Really, how can an Olympics be expected to have a behavioural effect on 35 million people? And you're also going back here to your point that an Olympics is supposed to be a tourism stimulus.
Sure, people come for the Olympics, but please tell me why you think that the Olympics is supposed to draw tourists to the hosting city in the following years.
5. Gee, Beijing... Lots of razzle-dazzle in the first days of the Olympics, but after shutting down so many businesses in the weeks leading up to the games (and praying for clean air), there've since just been so many news stories and pictures since about how dirty and polluted the Beijing air is.
Frankly, I would never want to live there again, and even visiting would be hard. (I lived there for a short year, 9/82 - 6/83. Everyone was on bikes then, no cars, and subways were only someone's dream. Things are so different now, and I don't think they are different for the better.)
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You might also consider why the Olympic committee chose Tokyo over the other candidates, and why similar choices were made in the cases of Seoul and Beijing. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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It is one thing for a country to have an Olympics as a coming out event, ala Beijing or Seoul. For Tokyo, they had it already, and everyone knows that Japan is a modern country. Redundant really.
Only good thing, maybe some people will actually get some English studying done. Also, would love to see menus have less spelling and grammatical errors. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 16 Aug 2009 Posts: 458 Location: Saigon, Vietnam
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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I've read figures that put the total cost at around US $5 billion.
I'm still in shock that Japan was awarded the Olympics. Not that I really care, because I do not enjoy or follow the Olympics.
However, considering the high level of xenophobia, racism and lack of English language proficiency, the Japanese are not ready for this.
I just hope I'm off for summer vacation and out of the country when the Olympic circus arrives.
Still, my taxes are going to pay for this useless shit. |
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