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nellychess
Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 187 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:01 pm Post subject: Advice regarding Online MA TESOL, or Traditional University |
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I have spoken with a few online schools, and have done some research. I am not sure I can trust what they say, so I wanted to ask all of you.
1. If I take 1 year of a Masters online, can I finish at a traditional school, and transfer those credits? If there are even some traditional schools out there that I can do this with, that would be great nfo.
2. Would an online Masters degree be valuable as far as getting a job, or greater earning potential?
(I am interested in China, S Korea, Vietnam, Japan, Mexico, and South America).
Thanks for any help.
I have a BA in Sociology from a major University in the States. I had a low GPA, but I have been in the working world teaching tennis for 20 years.
I am currently selling clothing on ebay, and trying to get my new career teaching English across the globe.
Thanks for any help getting me there. |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Nellychess, long time no see!
A low GPA and no teaching experience will not get you into any MA program, will it? If so, I'd be very wary about taking it.
Sounds like you are putting the cart before the horse if you don't have TESL experience yet. You are approaching your 10th anniversary on this site and still haven't taught yet. I have no idea why you would pursue an MA at this point. |
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nellychess
Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 187 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Hi
I had a job lined up in China at a University, and the Province rejected my application at the last step. I was asked to send a fake Certificate. I backed out.
I'm trying to do it the right way. Would an online Masters degree help me?
Wouldn't I be better prepared to teach?
Wouldn't I be more hirable with an online MA?
I don't know, that's kind of what I am asking.
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nellychess
Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 187 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:12 am Post subject: |
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The place I talked to is called Ashford University.
I can't find anything on here about it, so maybe it isn't good |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:55 am Post subject: |
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I don't know anything about Ashford but every reputable MA TESOL program I've explored expects experience, referrals, and high grades.
Have you not applied for other jobs? Do you not have a TESL/TEFL/TESOL yet?
An MA in TESOL makes zero sense if you havent taught ESL before. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:40 am Post subject: |
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nellychess wrote: |
I had a job lined up in China at a University, and the Province rejected my application at the last step. I was asked to send a fake Certificate. I backed out.
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The place I talked to is called Ashford University. I can't find anything on here about it, so maybe it isn't good |
You were smart not to take that job at that university in China. You also might rethink attending Ashford. Although they're accredited, they're another for-profit university that's had some legal issues with the US government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashford_University). That's not good if potential employers decide to do an Internet search on it.
I didn't have any teaching experience when I decided to go back to university for a career change to TEFL. But if you're set on getting a master's degree, consider an MA in Teaching (which I have) or MA in Education. If it has a TESOL emphasis, that's good. If not, get a CELTA to go with your degree. Try some of the faith-based, accredited US universities; their degree programs are sometimes easy on the budget. Just be sure that a degree is what you want since it's a huge investment in time, money, and energy.
Frankly, I think you should just get a CELTA and head abroad because it's unclear what your specific teaching goals are. You'll definitely need to have an answer to that question for your statement of purpose for grad school admissions, if that's still the path you want to take. |
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nellychess
Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 187 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Thanks nomad. You bring up some good points. I am willing to put the work in, and aquire more student loan debt if there is value in getting the online masters. I can research to find the best one I suppose, but I'm wondering if it will get me better jobs, and or provide for better earning potential. If an online masters isn't more valuable to have than a CELTA then I won't do it. If it's worth a lot, I need to seriously consider it. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:05 am Post subject: |
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nellychess wrote: |
Would an online Masters degree be valuable as far as getting a job, or greater earning potential? (I am interested in China, S Korea, Vietnam, Japan, Mexico, and South America).
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I'm wondering if it will get me better jobs, and or provide for better earning potential. If an online masters isn't more valuable to have than a CELTA then I won't do it. If it's worth a lot, I need to seriously consider it. |
A couple of suggestions:
- Check out current job ads for the countries and teaching situations you're interested in to see what qualifications/experience employers are actually looking for. Start with the job openings listed on the Cafe (http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/).
- Post on the region and country-specific forums for advice on how far an MA might take you. Make sure to include your nationality, sex, current education, age (could be a factor), and any foreign languages you speak (likely important for Japan and South America). Also, indicate that you have zero TEFL experience. No need to keep mentioning your experience as a tennis coach; it's not relevant to TEFL.
I don't think an MA is right for you. You're still not clear about your career interests/goals; "getting better jobs" and "providing for better earning potential" aren't teaching goals. That also won't cut it for admission into graduate school. |
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rtm
Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 1003 Location: US
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'll echo what others have said, and recommend you not to pursue the MA until you have gained some classroom teaching experience. If you do the MA without any experience, when you graduate you'll be in a tricky position -- for jobs that require an MA (usually a few steps up the ranks from beginner-level), employers will be hesitant to hire you because you lack experience, and for entry-level jobs, you'll be overqualified. You also won't get nearly as much out of the MA if you do it with no experience.
If I were in your position, I'd get a CELTA or other reputable certificate (e.g., SIT), and get some experience before thinking about the MA. Or, you could head to someplace that doesn't require a certificate (e.g., many places in East Asia) to get a year or two of experience.
I think the only exception might be if you enroll in an on-campus MA program that includes a teaching assistantship in the university's ESL center. Such assistantships usually include a tuition waiver and a small stipend for living expenses, and would also give you some experience. However, some previous experience is often required for these. |
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esl_prof

Joined: 30 Nov 2013 Posts: 2006 Location: peyi kote solèy frèt
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Advice regarding Online MA TESOL, or Traditional Univers |
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nellychess wrote: |
I have spoken with a few online schools, and have done some research. I am not sure I can trust what they say, so I wanted to ask all of you . . . Would an online Masters degree be valuable as far as getting a job, or greater earning potential? |
If you don't trust them, then you're looking at the wrong schools. Do more research.
While an online MA may help for certain types of jobs, it will close doors to many others. Are you looking to teach exclusively online? If so, an online program may well fit your needs. If your goal is face-to-face teaching, you'd be better off to stick to a face-to-face program. Certainly, many things like educational theory and such can, depending on your learning style, be learned online just as well as in person. But there's also a lot to be said about having good role models in teacher training which, if you plan to do face-to-face teaching, would require having experience as a student in a face-to-face classroom.
nomad soul wrote: |
You also might rethink attending Ashford. Although they're accredited, they're another for-profit university that's had some legal issues with the US government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashford_University). That's not good if potential employers decide to do an Internet search on it. |
And even if an employer doesn't check it out, programs at for-profits tend to cost a lot more than what you'd pay for a much more academically rigorous program at a local state college or university. In other words, you can usually get a better education for cheaper by enrolling elsewhere. |
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MuscatGary
Joined: 03 Jun 2013 Posts: 1364 Location: Flying around the ME...
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:31 am Post subject: |
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santi84 wrote: |
You are approaching your 10th anniversary on this site and still haven't taught yet. |
10 years of talking about tefl but not taking the plunge indicates a person who will be saying "if only" in another 10-20 years. |
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nellychess
Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 187 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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I was taking the plunge. I packed my bags, sold my car, and was ready to go. It fell through because I didn't have the right credentials. I am trying to get them, and get more information. Why crush someone's dream? |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Nobody is crushing anything. You've had about ten years to do a one month CELTA, so it makes no sense that you'd turn to an MA program because you still can't seem to get a one month credential. The thought process behind that is bizarre, and strikes as being well beyond simple procrastination.
If I didn't even know if I was actually any good at tennis, would you recommend I go spend $15,000 and a few years or so to find out? Or a $1500 four week course?
We all have dreams, but at what point can anyone take this seriously anymore? |
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nellychess
Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 187 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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hahah. I guess you're right. I can see your view. If I remember, I will let you know when I finally get going. I'm looking for volunteer teaching in Houston now. |
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esl_prof

Joined: 30 Nov 2013 Posts: 2006 Location: peyi kote solèy frèt
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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nellychess wrote: |
I'm looking for volunteer teaching in Houston now. |
If you're based in Houston, you might consider doing SIT Graduate School's TESOL Certificate, which will be offered there in both April and June. |
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