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wiz07
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Shanghai Noon
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Why don't you ask him if you are so curious? |
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wiz07
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Shanghai Noon wrote: |
| Why don't you ask him if you are so curious? |
The guy is a hermit/turtle he doesn't speak much.. doesn't like to get in depth with the law/regulations  |
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Shanghai Noon
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Then you are out of luck. There are dozens of ways around the degree requirement. We have no way of knowing which one your friend is using. |
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cb400
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Not a great friend if you can't talk to him? Ask him flat out and see what he says. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Friend lives in tier 3 cities with no degree? how? |
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| i am not here to promote illegal work i will graduate in a years time in BSc Computing Science in the UK. |
So let it go. It's nothing you have to be concerned about since you'll have a degree. |
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wiz07
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Friend lives in tier 3 cities with no degree? how? |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| wiz07 wrote: |
| i am not here to promote illegal work i will graduate in a years time in BSc Computing Science in the UK. |
So let it go. It's nothing you have to be concerned about since you'll have a degree. |
Yeah that's right anyway, haha wanted to know anyway but really couldn't handle 2 seconds into the bad side of China  |
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joey2001
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Friend lives in tier 3 cities with no degree? how? |
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I am not going to snitch on him |
But you feel compelled to open a new thread about him on this forum. Really funny how some of you here are taught back home to not be racist, sexist, ageist, weightist or not to discriminate... whatever, to feel compassion and pity for the poor Mexican illegal workers, but in China feel morally entitled to label another foreigner "illegal", even "criminal". If your belief is that "the law is the law", no matter what, the law is always just, always right, then fine, I won't argue with that. But I often see double standards here. You secretly or openly applaud that co-worker getting caught and deported right? Less competition for you "legals", so it can't be bad. Not every foreigner in China was born a certified teacher, or even went there with the intention of teaching. Some came through marriage and became "illegal" through divorce. Might be they - god forbid - never worked as a teacher before going to China. Might be they invested lots of money in their wives and their families, financed a brand-new apartment or car for them, leaving them with not enough money to support themselves back home. They for whatever reason have no degree in teaching, or even worse, committed the crime of not being born in an English-speaking country. Of course they should never even dream of working to support themselves, after all they are "illegal"! Correct? Not criticizing you for your opinion, if the law is the only acceptable standard in life for you, fine, you have the right to feel that way. But maybe, just maybe, the work situation for foreigners in China is not that black or white? Maybe if you'd talk to your friend face to face, you might see a different picture, and see other aspects in a person's choice to live in China, besides that piece of paper that sets him apart from those non-persons without it. 
Just for the record, I am NOT advising anyone to work in China without a Z visa, just giving some possible explanations why some people are doing it or in some situations are "forced" to doing it. When foreigners in MY country marry a local, they get a life-long residence permit, practically automatically, the right to study, work, health care etc. They don't lose that right when divorced, but are free to stay there for as long as they choose, and are absolutely equal legally to citizens. In China we don't have that option! Divorce from a Chinese woman pretty much means losing the option to live there, regardless of the apartment you own or even children you have there. I am not whining about how unfair the world is, just pointing out the hard fact that official discrimination against foreigners in China is very real. You might try to persuade your friend to find a way to stay in China legally, to give him some advice. He is your friend after all. Just keep in mind that MAYBE he does not have the same opportunities you do. |
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wiz07
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Lack
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There are a variety of possible reasons:
-Enforcement of requirements for FTs is usually much less strict than in Beijing, Shanghai, etc.
-The school has "guanxi" - or "connections," so they can just offer a bribe to get the proper paperwork for someone who doesn't meet the qualifications.
-Some schools will make fake degrees for their FTs.
You should really just ask him though. |
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asiannationmc
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| am not going to snitch on him 5K RMB is not worth our lasting years of friendship |
just out of curiosity, what is your going rate to snitch? Or, what monetary value of a friendship do you weigh before ratting on a buddy ? |
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happyinshangqiu
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Friend lives in tier 3 cities with no degree? how? |
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| wiz07 wrote: |
I am not going to snitch on him 5K RMB is not worth our lasting years of friendship |
Thank the lord I don't have mates like you.
To answer your question though, the laws in this country are applied to local levels. If he has a 'Z' visa and can come in and out of the country then he has no real need to lay low. He sounds legal to me, as Lack stated above, it all depends on the local institution's guanxi and of course where they are. A third tier city in Gansu is going to be more accepting of teachers without a degree than somewhere like Shenzhen.
Worry about yourself, life is hard enough. |
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joey2001
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Friend lives in tier 3 cities with no degree? how? |
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No i don't feel morally entitled iv lived as an illegal immigrant before in Europe, i was forced to grant asylum-seeker because i came from a worn torn country.. so i understand the struggle for survival and just to see another paycheck. I only mad this topic out of curiosity and it feels like im getting a bad response from the majority of users. |
OK I see. So you have been there yourself, although in another country. I didn't mean to offend, and my post wasn't directed against you personally. I just feel a latent hostility from some users directed at "illegals" in China, from time to time. Some remarks come across as more judgmental than necessary, as if they feel personally cheated. In your friend's case, I hope the situation can be resolved satisfactorily for all involved. |
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asiannationmc
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| a worn torn country |
This rips the fabric of my heart |
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