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CHINOISE
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 Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:45 pm Post subject: getting fired from pre - school... |
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Do you think it's common to get fired from jobs in China?
In my experience, it's almost impossible. The Chinese don't like confrontation, but everyone has their limits.
What are the biggest deal breakers for employers here? It seems like someone would have to be a real Jack AZZ to get fired from teaching anywhere here.
Any good stories of losers getting fired from training centers here?
I'm just wondering what it takes... |
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LUWahoo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: getting fired from pre - school... |
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| CHINOISE wrote: |
Do you think it's common to get fired from jobs in China?
In my experience, it's almost impossible. The Chinese don't like confrontation, but everyone has their limits.
What are the biggest deal breakers for employers here? It seems like someone would have to be a real Jack AZZ to get fired from teaching anywhere here.
Any good stories of losers getting fired from training centers here?
I'm just wondering what it takes... |
I doubt it's common, but it probably happens more often than you'd think.
I think it mostly comes down to the administration/type of school your in... If it's a money mill and you're getting paid cheaply, you might have more leeway with being a bad teacher, negligent, what not..
Just my thoughts, not speaking from any actual experience
~LUW |
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Unchained English
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:19 am Post subject: |
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"getting fired from pre - school"
This is the thread title. So, what is the situation? Why is the OP asking about getting fired in general? |
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Lack
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| Happens but not very common probably. And at the pre-school level getting fired is meaningless since there are about as many pre-schools as people in China. Just take your pick. |
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Markness
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| You pretty much have to whip out some porno or come in pissed-drunk and vomit everywhere in front of all of the parents in order to get canned. There is a teacher at my school who can't get any hours. He works literally 1.5 hours a week. He still gets a full salary. The school refuses to can him even though they are losing thousands by keeping him on. Seriously, it's super difficult. |
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The_Kong
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| Lack wrote: |
| Happens but not very common probably. And at the pre-school level getting fired is meaningless since there are about as many pre-schools as people in China. Just take your pick. |
It does happen but it's not very common.
The cost and trouble of finding a replacement mid-year is what scares most schools off from firing bad teachers.
I've seen a couple teachers get fired at other schools, one was just a worthless drunk and the other was culled after the company she worked for was losing business because of how bad she was.
I've never had to personally fire a teacher but there were a couple times I would've liked to but, as I said, the cost and difficulty of finding a replacement mid year made that not really feasible. |
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CHINOISE
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| Unchained English wrote: |
"getting fired from pre - school"
This is the thread title. So, what is the situation? Why is the OP asking about getting fired in general? |
The other NET at my school might get fired. He is a drama queen who causes serious problems for the administrators.
I think it's a crappy situation, but in the end, he did it to himself because of his terrible attitude. Mostly it sucks because I'm gonna have to pick up some of his classes. |
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Alien abductee
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Location: Kuala Lumpur
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:02 am Post subject: Re: getting fired from pre - school... |
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| CHINOISE wrote: |
Do you think it's common to get fired from jobs in China?
In my experience, it's almost impossible. The Chinese don't like confrontation, but everyone has their limits. |
From what I've seen the most common method of firing someone is to simply not renew the contract. In the case of a university by the time a teacher has been given a few months to prove how good (or how bad) they are the first term is nearly over. Finding replacements mid-year isn't always easy and since the hiring process needs about three months from start to finish it's usually just easier for everyone (except the students maybe) to just let the contract run it's course and find a replacement over the summer. I have seen a couple of people let go mid year too though, so it happens. My advice to anyone hiring teachers is that if you come across someone who's been at a different school year after year that's a sign that maybe you should look at someone else.
What kind of things can get you fired? A bad attitude, causing problems for school admin, and reaming students out in class over minor things, and by reaming them out I mean screaming and swearing at them. FFS if I found any of my kids being subjected to some of this crap I'd probably be in there dealing with it myself. |
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Unchained English
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| My advice to anyone hiring teachers is that if you come across someone who's been at a different school year after year that's a sign that maybe you should look at someone else. |
The contract is one year. Why is going to another school a bad sign? I have worked many jobs 6-12 months and left for the sole reason to live in a different city or atmosphere. After teaching 6 months in a mid-sized city or smaller, you pretty much get the idea of that area.I have set lessons and don't feel like repeating them with the same students the next year.
A new school the next year gives me another aspect as to how the school and the students accept (or reject) my lessons.
It boils down to hiring experienced teachers who have their own curriculum or hiring a new teacher who has resources to develop one over time.
If they enjoy their lessons, why wouldn't they want to move to another school? |
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hdeth
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There was one teacher at my old school that was not asked to renew...that's about as close you get to firing usually I think.
Chinese labor laws are actually quite protective of workers. Hard to fire people in general. |
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Alien abductee
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| My advice to anyone hiring teachers is that if you come across someone who's been at a different school year after year that's a sign that maybe you should look at someone else. |
The contract is one year. Why is going to another school a bad sign? |
I did not say perpetual job-hopping is always a bad sign, but if someone is at a different school every year for several years it's a sign that maybe there's a reason you'd want to be aware of before hiring them. Not only that but it's to everyone's advantage to keep employees year after year, so in that respect sometimes it's better to hire an individual who's not a job-hopper (provided they can also do the job). I'm sure there are people who change jobs frequently and have good recommendations afterwards, just like there are others who leave a trail of destruction everywhere they go. |
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3701 W.119th
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Yeah, it's hard to take anything from it. Ideally, a decent teacher who finds a decent school will stick for more than the one year contract, but this is China.
A strong teacher changing jobs each year probably says more about the schools where they worked, than them themselves. Then again, a clown with no ability at all could easily jump from job to job in China. So many bridges to burn. With the right passport, you can be utterly useless and still have a job for life here, (albeit a different job each year). |
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Shanghai Noon
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Unless the teacher's previous school writes the actual reason for dismissal on the letter of recommendation, there is no way for a teacher's new school to know it. Usually they do not, as this can cause problems. One school did not renew my contract, one laid me off because of low enrolment, and I resigned from one. Each time, the release papers stated that I had resigned. When I went to look for a job afterwards, the recruiters and headmasters barely batted an eye. I got multiple offers after both non-renewal and being laid off, and after the layoff I had 11 months left on my residence permit.
As for getting fired mid-year, I have seen it a couple of times, and every time the teacher had clearly earned it and did not protest. If it's a problem outside the classroom (legitimate or not) that makes firing someone all the more difficult because the students will ask all sorts of awkward questions. |
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SH_Panda
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The only ones I have heard of getting straight up fired were working at training schools and they turned up for work actually drunk  |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| they turned up for work actually drunk |
I long for the day when turning up drunk was a prerequisite to working a full day in a children's language mill. |
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