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WikiLeaks: Saudis Repatriated Students Expelled in U.S.
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Captain Willard



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:19 pm    Post subject: WikiLeaks: Saudis Repatriated Students Expelled in U.S. Reply with quote

One of the joys of teaching in the Golden Sandbox, is the knowledge that some of one's students will be awarded a bachelor's degree from a Saudi university so that they might receive a scholarship from His Majesty to study abroad for an advanced degree. Western universities are quite happy to receive the budding scholars from the Gulf region into their programs, as they pay much higher tuition usually than domestic students.

Of course, one of the benefits of international students is that they bring their culture with them. Here we read of Saudi students demonstrating the Arab talent of acquiring wasta with strategic gifts to the right person in an organization. Tragically, due to some cultural misunderstanding, approximately 30 students were found to have given gifts to a university employee in exchange for changing grades, etc. Ultimately, 18 students were expelled and uncounted others had their degrees revoked. Some generous person at the Saudi consulate then paid to repatriate the students before any criminal charges might be brought. Obviously such generosity was intended to avoid the humiliation of the students and the embarrassment of their families.

The full story is here:
WikiLeaks: Saudis Tried To Shield Students From US Scandal
http://news.yahoo.com/wikileaks-saudis-tried-shield-students-us-scandal-183845347.html

Hopefully, we can all learn something from such cultural misunderstandings


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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Captain Willard,

Does this mean I have to give back the Mercedes Super Sport?

Hope not.

Regards,
John
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have already sent back the title deeds to my castle in Spain.
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MixtecaMike



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, I already ate the several kilograms of dates from Al Hasa, and read the pamphlets from the Dawa Center, the only gifts I ever got.
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Gamajorba



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should face the consequences like everyone else. If it was any other nationality, they wouldn't get what these clowns got.

Absolutely ridiculous.
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sicklyman



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamajorba wrote:
They should face the consequences like everyone else. If it was any other nationality, they wouldn't get what these clowns got.

Absolutely ridiculous.

well, what goes around comes around. Fall foul of the law here as a Brit/US/Australian citizen and you are likely to be dealt with a whole lot differently than if you are Ethiopian/Yemeni/Sudanese.

let's not try and pretend that our countries are any less corrupt than the host nations we might leech off.
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cnthaiksarok



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sicklyman wrote:
Fall foul of the law here as a Brit/US/Australian citizen and you are likely to be dealt with a whole lot differently than if you are Ethiopian/Yemeni/Sudanese.

let's not try and pretend that our countries are any less corrupt than the host nations we might leech off.


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plumpy nut



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Be not deceived, God is not mocked, a man shall reap what he sows." I like the idea of no Saudis coming to Western universities and no more oil money going to Saudi Arabia. Lots of Luck.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Cheating Scandal With Diplomatic Dimensions
By Elizabeth Redden, Inside Higher Ed | June 25, 2015
Source: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/06/25/wikileaks-memo-sheds-new-light-2012-cheating-scandal-involving-saudi-students

This is a story of how one university’s massive cheating scandal became a minor diplomatic incident.

In January of 2012, Montana Tech reported that 36 of its students were involved in a grade-changing scandal in which an unidentified former employee altered grades and removed courses from transcripts. As The Montana Standard, the local paper in Butte, reported at the time, the university identified 126 grade changes, 119 cases of courses being removed from transcripts and 19 cases in which courses were added. The paper also reported in its Jan. 7, 2012, article that the university intended to turn over the results of its investigation to local and state authorities for possible criminal prosecution.

That scandal came back to life this week when the Associated Press reported on Saudi Arabian embassy memos released by WikiLeaks suggesting that almost all of the students who were involved were Saudis studying in the U.S. on government scholarships and that their government attempted to shield them from potential criminal liability.

The AP reported on a memo describing a Jan. 4, 2012, meeting between top Montana Tech administrators and Saudi diplomats at the Saudi embassy in Washington in which Chancellor Donald Blackketter reportedly suggested that the students be flown out of the United States. The memo says that a Saudi diplomat subsequently “issued travel tickets to those students … to return to the kingdom so they don't face jail or deportation by the American authorities.” Another Saudi memo cited by the AP indicated that the employee who changed grades had accepted “gifts” in exchange. In an interview with the AP, Vice Chancellor of Academic Affairs Douglas Abbott said he recalled the gifts as being “small tokens of appreciation” and the employee did not accept money.

In a written statement provided to Inside Higher Ed, Blackketter described “innuendos or accusations that Montana Tech conspired to fly students out of the United States” as being false and suggested that the university had an obligation to inform the “sponsoring agency” in advance of the likelihood that the students would be punished.

“The visit Doug Abbott and I made to the sponsoring agencies was to inform the agencies of pending Montana Tech sanctions and to remind them that it was almost certain sanctions would be given,” Blackketter said. “Furthermore, we reminded them that when sanctions were imposed, the students’ SEVIS [Student and Exchange Visitor Information System] status would be terminated and students would be required to return to their home country. I informed the sponsoring agency that preparations for this action were needed. This visit to the sponsoring agency was even more critical because we determined the extensiveness of the grade changes only after students left for the holiday break, and many of the involved students were not on campus. We used all means available to promptly contact the students.”

Blackketter said he kept the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Homeland Security and local police informed of completed and pending sanctions against students as the investigation unfolded over multiple weeks in late 2011. “While bribery is a crime, academic dishonesty is unethical, but not a criminal violation,” Blackketter wrote in his statement. “No students involved in the grade-change incident committed a crime in their academic violations (according to conclusions of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Homeland Security and Butte-Silver Bow law enforcement).”

The chancellor said that some of the students involved were expelled, others had their diplomas revoked, and others were allowed to return to the university, which is part of the University of Montana system. Blackketter declined, through a spokeswoman, to answer questions following up on his written statement.

Tricia Bertram Gallant, a lecturer at the University of California at San Diego who studies academic integrity issues, said the case reminds her of one at Diablo Valley College a number of years back in which dozens of students reportedly paid bribes to student workers to change their grades. But generally she said this type of case is more common overseas in countries where corruption is more rampant. That said, she noted that after reading research done by UNESCO on corruption in education internationally, "I thought how much longer will it take for that to infiltrate the U.S., Britain, Canada and Australia, with the amount of international students we have coming to our schools. I’m not surprised we have had a story along those lines.”

The number of international students in the U.S. has increased by 72 percent since 2000, while the number of Saudi students in particular has increased more than tenfold, driven by the Saudi government scholarship program. According to the Institute of International Education’s annual Open Doors report, there were 53,919 students from Saudi Arabia at U.S. universities in 2013-14, compared to just 5,273 in the year 2000-1.

Researchers have found that international students' self-reported rates of cheating are higher than for domestic students (self-reported cheating rates are also especially high for fraternity and sorority members). Bertram Gallant said an article she's co-authored similarly finds that "being an international student is a 'risk factor' for being reported for cheating [by others]. Does that mean that international students cheat more, does it meant that faculty are looking for it, does that meant they cheat poorly so that they’re noticed more easily than a domestic student? We don't know -- the numbers don’t tell us that -- but they do say that we have an issue."

Nasser Razek, a clinical faculty member in the higher education administration program at the University of Dayton, has found in his research that Saudi students in the U.S. are much more likely to report engaging in academically dishonest behaviors than are their American counterparts. For example, they're more than twice as likely to report getting questions from someone who has already taken a test (32 versus 15 percent) or to report receiving substantial unpermitted help on an assignment (53 versus 24 percent). Razek noted, however, that the type of extreme grade changing reported at Montana Tech is not something he's encountered in his research of Saudi student behaviors.

Context is key to understanding the problem, Razek said. Before the creation of the King Abdullah Foreign Scholarship Program in 2005, only Saudi students with excellent English skills would be likely to get a visa. But suddenly anyone with a high school diploma could come here to study on a full scholarship. Universities lowered their standards, conditionally admitting scores of Saudi students without TOEFL or SAT scores pending completion of an intensive English program.

Students don't intend to cheat from the outset, Razek said, but they can find themselves in a situation where they feel unequipped to do the course work and where they fear having to return home with the shame of having lost their scholarship. One behavior that Razek says is very prevalent in his research participants is "paper writing -- someone else being paid to write papers for the Saudi students, or do homework for them, specifically for longer research papers where they lack the skills of using the libraries and doing the research in English." They don't see it as something bad, he said. "For them, it’s the only way of survival. They say, 'after one year in the English Language Institute, I can’t write an email without 20 or 25 mistakes. How can I write a research paper of 25 pages?'"

(End of article)
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bertonneau



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:39 pm    Post subject: What a joke Reply with quote

The idea that even the best students from any Saudi university at all are more than mediocre community college students is insane. Every possible test to weed out these infants should be given prior to the most intense interview imaginable. International drivers licenses absolutely never issued. If these so called students can meet every one of these criteria than maybe they could be considered. 95% of Saudis should never be allowed into any us college. To use the word student to even describe these guys is laughable.
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caliph



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colleges take these students for the money they pay for a year or more of remedial English they must take, usually taught by low paid "adjunct" teachers.

They also pump money into the local community in the form of expensive cars, and house/apartment rentals, and traffic fines they must pay as a result of driving like they are in the KSA.

Easy money!
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One behavior that Razek says is very prevalent in his research participants is "paper writing -- someone else being paid to write papers for the Saudi students, or do homework for them, specifically for longer research papers where they lack the skills of using the libraries and doing the research in English." They don't see it as something bad, he said. "For them, it’s the only way of survival. They say, 'after one year in the English Language Institute, I can’t write an email without 20 or 25 mistakes. How can I write a research paper of 25 pages?'"

Anyone who has taught in the Gulf knows this fact. Nor do they see the need to do the hard work required to get their writing up to par. That is another whole industry... writing their papers for them.

VS
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plumpy nut



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

caliph wrote:
Colleges take these students for the money they pay for a year or more of remedial English they must take, usually taught by low paid "adjunct" teachers.

They also pump money into the local community in the form of expensive cars, and house/apartment rentals, and traffic fines they must pay as a result of driving like they are in the KSA.

Easy money!


There is another issue, Saudis holding the same certificate that I hold. That is a serious issue.

My Master's of Science which the SACM ridiculously rejects in their disdainful haughty manner because of 6 online credit hours, would not be attainable by the vast majority of Saudi's entering the US even if it was taught in Arabic.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

plumpy nut wrote:
My Master's of Science which the SACM ridiculously rejects in their disdainful haughty manner because of 6 online credit hours.

And for the 100th time, the Ministry of Ed makes the rules governing academic qualifications, not the SACM. Get over it; you're certainly not the only expat whose degree wasn't accepted. Rolling Eyes
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Ladyinthesand



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was the administrator who accepted "gifts" for altering grades and transcripts ever charged with anything?
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