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thunder_god
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 Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:50 am Post subject: How safe is it to give out your passport photo when applying |
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| I noticed on almost all of the job postings, when you apply they want your cv, scans of your degrees, tefl, and passport photo. I'm kind of reluctant to send my passport info in as I have read about a lot of scams in China. Can I block out all of the registration and passport numbers and just leave my name, nationality, place of birth, Expiration date etc? |
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Brunouno
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| Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, that's exactly what I do. You only need to confirm that you're a native speaker at the first stage of applying. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:52 am Post subject: |
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It isn't a confirmation of being a native speaker that is wanted. (The passport isn't proof of this). The passport proves that you are allowed to travel, are ready to travel, and it gives some confirmation of your identity (which, of course can be counterfeit).
Blocking out the passport number thwarts most efforts of identity theft in the initial stages of application. When you are accepted by an employer, however, (like it or not) you'll have to sent a scan with all information showing. |
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Brunouno
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| Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
It isn't a confirmation of being a native speaker that is wanted. (The passport isn't proof of this). The passport proves that you are allowed to travel, are ready to travel, and it gives some confirmation of your identity (which, of course can be counterfeit).
Blocking out the passport number thwarts most efforts of identity theft in the initial stages of application. When you are accepted by an employer, however, (like it or not) you'll have to sent a scan with all information showing. |
Rubbish. They get many applications from NNES to give a job a shot. That's why employers often write in capitals that the applicant must be a native speaker. If you send a scan of your passport and the picture shows that you're white, then the potential employer is going to put two and two together and assume you're a native speaker. |
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou
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| Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Brunouno wrote: |
| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
It isn't a confirmation of being a native speaker that is wanted. (The passport isn't proof of this). The passport proves that you are allowed to travel, are ready to travel, and it gives some confirmation of your identity (which, of course can be counterfeit).
Blocking out the passport number thwarts most efforts of identity theft in the initial stages of application. When you are accepted by an employer, however, (like it or not) you'll have to sent a scan with all information showing. |
Rubbish. They get many applications from NNES to give a job a shot. That's why employers often write in capitals that the applicant must be a native speaker. If you send a scan of your passport and the picture shows that you're white, then the potential employer is going to put two and two together and assume you're a native speaker. |
How far have you gotten in an application to a school before you sent a scan of your passport? My experience is that I get almost no cooperation or information until I send in the scan. Once the scan is received, it is verified that I am a citizen of the U.S., one of the approved countries for FTs in China, and that I can travel abroad quickly (and legally). No passport? Solly Cholly, no can hire. Nowadays, after the resume and passport scan is received, reviewed and accepted, a Skype interview is arranged.
Granted, the picture tells them the color of your skin, an important factor in the hiring process. White skin, however, is not indicative of a native speaker of English.
I don't know about your country, but in the U.S., there is no way to determine if a passport-bearing citizen of the U.S. is native-born or naturalized (an immigrant), much less determine whether the bearer of the passport even speaks English. There are native citizens in the U.S. who don't even speak English! (They're not all non-Anglos). Some even have passports. With the tremendous increase in world emigration, this is an increasingly common situation in most western countries, despite the supposed language requirements.
So the picture on the passport assures the Chinese that the shade of skin is desirable, and that the country that issues the passport is approved, but there is no way to determine if the holder of that passport is a native English speaker.
No, people who do the hiring in China are NOT all looking at the face in the passport and connecting it with the issuing country and making certain decisions regarding native English speaking ability. The explosion in world emigration has made the Skype interview an increasingly common and necessary hiring tool --- even outside tier 1 cities. I know a man of Indian descent who was born in Australia. He's working in China. he wouldn't have gotten the job without the interview.
Even before Skype became common, I always got a call from a prospective employer before any sort of negotiation took place. The situation may be different for those who apply to less desirable, schools or schools. |
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Brunouno
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| Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
| Brunouno wrote: |
| OhBudPowellWhereArtThou wrote: |
It isn't a confirmation of being a native speaker that is wanted. (The passport isn't proof of this). The passport proves that you are allowed to travel, are ready to travel, and it gives some confirmation of your identity (which, of course can be counterfeit).
Blocking out the passport number thwarts most efforts of identity theft in the initial stages of application. When you are accepted by an employer, however, (like it or not) you'll have to sent a scan with all information showing. |
Rubbish. They get many applications from NNES to give a job a shot. That's why employers often write in capitals that the applicant must be a native speaker. If you send a scan of your passport and the picture shows that you're white, then the potential employer is going to put two and two together and assume you're a native speaker. |
How far have you gotten in an application to a school before you sent a scan of your passport? My experience is that I get almost no cooperation or information until I send in the scan. Once the scan is received, it is verified that I am a citizen of the U.S., one of the approved countries for FTs in China, and that I can travel abroad quickly (and legally). No passport? Solly Cholly, no can hire. Nowadays, after the resume and passport scan is received, reviewed and accepted, a Skype interview is arranged.
Granted, the picture tells them the color of your skin, an important factor in the hiring process. White skin, however, is not indicative of a native speaker of English.
I don't know about your country, but in the U.S., there is no way to determine if a passport-bearing citizen of the U.S. is native-born or naturalized (an immigrant), much less determine whether the bearer of the passport even speaks English. There are native citizens in the U.S. who don't even speak English! (They're not all non-Anglos). Some even have passports. With the tremendous increase in world emigration, this is an increasingly common situation in most western countries, despite the supposed language requirements.
So the picture on the passport assures the Chinese that the shade of skin is desirable, and that the country that issues the passport is approved, but there is no way to determine if the holder of that passport is a native English speaker.
No, people who do the hiring in China are NOT all looking at the face in the passport and connecting it with the issuing country and making certain decisions regarding native English speaking ability. The explosion in world emigration has made the Skype interview an increasingly common and necessary hiring tool --- even outside tier 1 cities. I know a man of Indian descent who was born in Australia. He's working in China. he wouldn't have gotten the job without the interview.
Even before Skype became common, I always got a call from a prospective employer before any sort of negotiation took place. The situation may be different for those who apply to less desirable, schools or schools. |
Well, I agree with you with the first part of your post. If I didn't scan a picture of my passport, I would get few replies. If my passport picture shows that I'm from an approved English-speaking country and I have a white face, they're going to assume I'm a native speaker. You can play with words all you like, but this is the way it is there. It has little to do with me being prepared to travel. Your post gave the impression that scanning a picture of your passport is an indication that you're able and willing to travel, which is just rubbish. Can you imagine the amount of Filipinos and other near native speakers that would kill for a job that pays a thousand bucks a month? Let's not be naive. If I was an employer an China, checking that the applicant is from an approved English-speaking country is the first thing I would check. |
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Listerine
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:18 am Post subject: Re: How safe is it to give out your passport photo when appl |
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| thunder_god wrote: |
| Can I block out all of the registration and passport numbers and just leave my name, nationality, place of birth, Expiration date etc? |
Yes. Later when the school is serious about you though you'll need to provide the full uncensored version as they will need all the info for the letter of invitation, foreign expert certificate etc.
Side note about the need to verify you aren't filippino, black or whatever other "horrors" I once worked with an old dude who was asked to video skype with the school. They hadn't asked any other teachers to do it. Turns out he had kind of a spazzy passport photo and they just wanted to verify he wasn't in a wheelchair or a thalidomide baby or something. |
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