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gidi19
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 Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 1:32 pm Post subject: Job offer from national institute of technology Jeddah. |
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Hi everyone.
Could anyone offer any advice on how this company is ?
Is it a good school to teach at ?
How is the management with payment and sorting problems out ?
Kindest regards |
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EFL Educator
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Location: Cape Town
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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My EFL colleagues tell me it is one of the lowest paying teaching gigs in Saudi....and especially for Jeddah...and that students have poor motivation to learn English. They told me students are more interested in sleeping in class and are taught English using very old ARAMCO books from decades gone.  |
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Hatcher
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| I know many who have worked there. It is just a stepping stone to other unis and colleges in the area. At the ELI at KAU, there has to be 10 guys who worked at NIT. |
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Enkates
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In answer to your fist and last question: last year I was considering a return to the KSA. I knew of NIT's third-rate reputation but contacted them anyway.
Eventually they emailed me back to arrange a Skype interview. I agreed. No one was there for the Skype interview. I left a polite message on Skype chat asking what had happened. One or two days later they returned an irritated response asking why I hadn't been on Skype at the appointed time.
A few weeks later I got another email. They seemed completely oblivious that they had contacted me before. I reminded them that they had, and told them of the above incident. No response.
A few weeks later the same happened. I suggested an interview time. No response.
Then a few weeks later they wrote again. This time adopting a slightly apologetic, slightly amused with all the shenanigans tone, and wanted to set up an interview. I suggested an interview time. No response.
Next they wrote to me asking why I had skipped the interview. I wasn't sure which one they meant. |
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EFL Educator
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Enkates,
The interview you never had...this is typical of NIT administration....consider yourself lucky you weren't offered the job.....the money they pay is not worth it |
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mnruman
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Location: Manchester, UK
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has anybody ever had two concrete job offeres and tryed to play one off against the other to get a better deal?
Also how would the recruite/ HR know if ur bluffing or not? |
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hash
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Location: Wadi Jinn
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| has anybody ever had two concrete job offeres and tryed to play one off against the other to get a better deal? Also how would the recruite/ HR know if ur bluffing or not? |
I don't think this situation arises at least not in any significant way. It is mostly a figment of one's imagination that employers are "vying" for someone when in fact they aren't.
The only item one could "negotiate" over is the salary. But in fact, in KSA and really worldwide, the item that can make or break a job is not the SALARY. It is the innumarable OTHER items that are never negotiable. Housing, transportation, contact hours, supervisors, vacations, distances between work and home, co-workers, type and number of students, and so on.
Those are the items that ultimately determine your success and longevity at a KSA job.
Since those items are never "negotiable", trying to pit one employer against another on the basis of SALARY is an exercise in futility. You're arguing over pennies. Find out about the items I mentioned above and go with the employer that offers the best deal in those.....in KSA I would say the HOUSING in the most important item. Is it provided or are you expected to find your own (I'd never do it), shared? Compound or "on the market", utilities? etc
There's nothing like arriving in a foreign location after a harrowing, exhausting and seemingly endless trip and being whisked to your OWN residence, small and inelegant though it may be, and shutting the door and hitting the sack.
There's nothing worse than being whisked to a temporary residence with instructions that you have to start looking for your own place within a week and here's an envelope with "some money". (I'd never and I've never agreed to this....not in the Gulf and definitey not in KSA.....especially if you're on a "visit" visa or something). |
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Pikgitina
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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| hash wrote: |
| mnruman wrote: |
| has anybody ever had two concrete job offeres and tryed to play one off against the other to get a better deal? Also how would the recruite/ HR know if ur bluffing or not? |
I don't think this situation arises at least not in any significant way. It is mostly a figment of one's imagination that employers are "vying" for someone when in fact they aren't.
The only item one could "negotiate" over is the salary. But in fact, in KSA and really worldwide, the item that can make or break a job is not the SALARY. It is the innumarable OTHER items that are never negotiable. Housing, transportation, contact hours, supervisors, vacations, distances between work and home, co-workers, type and number of students, and so on.
Those are the items that ultimately determine your success and longevity at a KSA job.
Since those items are never "negotiable", trying to pit one employer against another on the basis of SALARY is an exercise in futility. You're arguing over pennies. Find out about the items I mentioned above and go with the employer that offers the best deal in those.....in KSA I would say the HOUSING in the most important item. Is it provided or are you expected to find your own (I'd never do it), shared? Compound or "on the market", utilities? etc
There's nothing like arriving in a foreign location after a harrowing, exhausting and seemingly endless trip and being whisked to your OWN residence, small and inelegant though it may be, and shutting the door and hitting the sack.
There's nothing worse than being whisked to a temporary residence with instructions that you have to start looking for your own place within a week and here's an envelope with "some money". (I'd never and I've never agreed to this....not in the Gulf and definitey not in KSA.....especially if you're on a "visit" visa or something). |
This is excellent advice. If things are not great at work AND you don't have a relatively comfortable, private home to escape to, EVERYTHING can get very old very quickly. If your real problems start when leaving work, then you know you have a raw deal. |
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