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Sashadroogie · Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:35 am Post subject:

That's where you are dead wrong. The 'teacher' label always included some special dispensations. For example, a very visible difference is that these visas do not come with the little plastic ID card that other workers are issued with. Unless you want to argue the toss about that too Very Happy

alex1970 · Joined: 19 Jun 2013 Posts: 84

Sashadroogie · Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:37 am Post subject:

Well, hang on.... How about NO LANGUAGE TEST?

alex1970 · Joined: 19 Jun 2013 Posts: 84

Sashadroogie · Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:43 am Post subject:

Do you? You argued this point previously. I wasn't sure if you had revised your ideologically flawed position or not.

A few years ago, teachers were exempted from having to also have work permits. The exact ins and outs of this have always eluded me, but it mattered greatly for schools and visa sponsors. More behind-the-scenes applications and fees. As far as I know this has been done away with, and all is more uniform now. But counts as an example of the differences involved.

Now, let's move on to police checks! They are way more interesting!

alex1970 · Joined: 19 Jun 2013 Posts: 84

Sashadroogie · Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:49 am Post subject:

Never had a police check. Only sometimes need an HIV cert.

The point is Alex, it is not the best strategy to make pronouncements too absolutely about the various visa regimes in place here. Nobody really knows how it works - even the government officials responsible for it all Very Happy

'Teacher visas'. They might not exist technically, but they are very, very real.

alex1970 · Joined: 19 Jun 2013 Posts: 84

Sashadroogie · Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:53 am Post subject:

And this leaves all sorts of 'wiggle room' possibilities! Very Happy

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Would be right in assuming that "The Organs" determine what is required and the foreigner has no say in the matter ?

The Cheka still makes the rules although the names may change !

Foma87 · Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 116 Location: Moscow

Yes, you are absolutely right about the 'wiggle room' in Russia. Executive agencies are delegated broader powers as far as making and filling in the law where necessary in Russia (this is true for many countries with a 'continental' system of law). It seems that, in the case of FMS, this has created a rather perplexing situation for teachers from the point of view of the law. Hence the apocalypse scenarios every time amendments are enacted on the status of foreigners in Russia. I think 13.4 of the law I cited earlier, however, would be a good place to start as far as understanding the visa regime for teachers and avoiding panic every time the duma passes an anti-immigration law aimed at common workers.

Sashadroogie · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:34 pm Post subject:

All I know is that according to this forum and others, we should all have been deported years ago by the FMS. Strangely enough, they seem to have more important things to be getting on with... Phew!

Sashadroogie · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:36 pm Post subject:

alex1970 · Joined: 19 Jun 2013 Posts: 84

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jun/08/why-migrants-fleeing-moscow-permits-economy

Food for thought...

alex1970 · Joined: 19 Jun 2013 Posts: 84