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hash
Joined: 17 Dec 2014 Posts: 456 Location: Wadi Jinn
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 5:34 am Post subject: US Community Colleges enter the Fray |
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It now appears KSA is attempting to hire expertise at the community college level.....good luck.
I guess MIT and USC are no longer interested.
http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-rancho-contract-saudi-arabia-20150526-story.html
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O.C. college district facing criticism over deal in Saudi Arabia
By RUBEN VIVES
Los Angeles Times. May 25, 2015. After years of competing with other college districts in Orange County for donor money, the Rancho Santiago Community College District thought it had struck upon a winning idea.
Last year, the district was awarded an estimated $105-million contract to help run two technical schools in Saudi Arabia.
But even before the ink on the deal — which has not been finalized — was dry, the college district found itself being criticized by some faculty members who say the project wasn't publicly approved.
And now, the Anti-Defamation League, a nonprofit organization that fights anti-Semitism, is raising questions about the potential ramifications of operating schools in a nation that is ruled by an absolute monarchy and has a far-from-sterling reputation when it comes to democracy.
The league expressed its concerns in a May 14 letter to college district Chancellor Raul Rodriguez.
"While we support programs that seek to establish collaborative relationships with universities in the Middle East, we do believe that special care must be taken when establishing programs where there are restrictions on the activities of programs based on characteristics such as religion, gender, national origin or sexual orientation," the letter read in part.
The league warned the district that it was still bound by state and federal laws that prohibit employment discrimination.
Rodriguez said the district is following all applicable laws and its primary role in Saudi Arabia is to provide consulting services and help train faculty, improve facilities and set curricula for the all-male schools.
"It's not an endorsement," he said. "We're in no way condoning the views and stance of the Saudi government."
But compromises have to be made in some areas, Rodriguez said.
The schools in Saudi Arabia are gender-segregated and female instructors are prohibited from teaching male students. The district wouldn't hire faculty, Rodriguez said.
"You have to walk a fine line about what our beliefs in the U.S. are and the customs and culture of Saudi Arabia," he said.
Although the deal is rare, the college district is not the first to venture to the Middle East.
In September 2013, Valencia Community College in Orlando, Fla., signed a similar agreement with Princess Noura University, an all female school in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
In February 2014, Niagara College in Ontario, Canada, won a bid to operate a hospitality and tourism campus in Taif, Saudi Arabia.
Rodriguez hopes the experience will help the district obtain similar contracts in other countries.
But members of the Faculty Assn. of Rancho Santiago Community College District, a union representing academic employees, are calling on the district to cancel the project.
Attorneys for the union sent a cease-and-desist order to the district in March.
The union says little is known about the project and that it was never approved in a public forum as required by the state's open-meeting law.
"The Brown Act is an extremely important piece of our democracy," Barry Resnick, president of the union, told officials last week.
Rodriguez denied the allegation and said the project was approved by the district foundation, an auxiliary of the district, which sought the bid on behalf of the district.
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 5:43 am Post subject: |
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The usual suspects making noises about people working with Saudis.
Chomsky is right - these people are simply apologists for whatever policy Netanyahu wants to put forward today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League |
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MixtecaMike

Joined: 19 Nov 2003 Posts: 643 Location: Guatebad
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 6:49 am Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
The usual suspects making noises about people working with Saudis. |
Taking money from Saudis in exchange for sticking a gringo name on their letterhead, I'm sure any "work" will be purely accidental. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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And now, the Anti-Defamation League, a nonprofit organization that fights anti-Semitism, is raising questions about the potential ramifications of operating schools in a nation that is ruled by an absolute monarchy and has a far-from-sterling reputation when it comes to democracy.
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Every time I read a ridiculous comment like this, I want to point out that Arabs are Semites. Thus this criticism of Saudi Arabia is clearly "Anti-Semitic."
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plumpy nut
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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It's good to see the Western educational institutions leaving Saudi institutions without the recognition they so badly crave. The Saudi educational system will remain un-respected and unrecognized like they should be. No community college in the US is going to collude with the Saudis in any way, the same that higher institutions refuse to. Nobody is going to be dragged down into the muck. |
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scot47

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Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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You still there in the muck, Plump One ? |
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revilo
Joined: 05 Oct 2013 Posts: 181 Location: Mos Eisley
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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No community college in the US is going to collude with the Saudis in any way, the same that higher institutions refuse to. Nobody is going to be dragged down into the muck. |
I dunno. Purdue & other big names were willing to jump into bed w/ Kuwaiti universities. The collective IQs of Q80s could barely fill a Yaris.
I like the way the faculty assn. harumphs about "anti-semitism" but doesn't notice that their PT faculty are working 20 or more years without so much as a medical plan or a gold watch.  |
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currentaffairs
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 4:01 am Post subject: |
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plumpy nut wrote: |
It's good to see the Western educational institutions leaving Saudi institutions without the recognition they so badly crave. The Saudi educational system will remain un-respected and unrecognized like they should be. No community college in the US is going to collude with the Saudis in any way, the same that higher institutions refuse to. Nobody is going to be dragged down into the muck. |
There are already a number of US and UK institutes operating Colleges of Excellence in Saudi like Laureate (US) and TQ (UK). More are going in such as Lincoln College (UK) and Nescot (UK):
http://www.arabnews.com/news/454861
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/1-billion-exports-win-for-uk-education-in-saudi-arabia |
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