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jimpellow
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 Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:01 pm Post subject: Release Letter And Letter Of Recommendation Issue |
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Hello,
Despite all my jabs at Mainland China and its inhabitants on this board, a strange turn of events has me on the verge of a position in Beijing.
My issue is as follows. My last job in China was for a quasi private organization under the department of education. It seems that the program has been shut down, and I can find no trace of them online anymore.
So they did have governmental oversight, but I am thinking that to find someone who will accept responsibility for them and is willing to actually forward me a letter of recommendation and release letter is going to be most likely very difficult.
Does anyone have experience in this or knowledge of how to approach it? It seems that pretty much every jurisdiction is requiring them these days for a new z-visa to be granted. And I believe it is still necessary even if one has left the country for an extended period of time. I really was not intending to come back to China when I left that job, so did not bother with getting them then, and incorrectly figured I could request them later if needed for anything. Thanks |
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3701 W.119th
Joined: 26 Feb 2014
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Oh dear. Bad luck.
Get all the documents in hand before you leave your job, but you know this yourself.
You have no chance of ever getting these documents now. |
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GreatApe
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I'd have to agree that it sounds pretty grim. This is where a QQ or WeChat account can come in very handy, or when your contact list in your cell phone proves its worth.
Nowadays, when I land a new job, I immediately walk up to the best looking girl in the school / office and demand her phone number in case I need a contact for the future. 
Good Luck, Jim ... hope it works out for you.
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Shanghai Noon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Look at the name of your company on your FEC. Look up their phone number and go from there. |
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bestteacher2012
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Since you're applying for a new Z visa, you might not need the release letter. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you for the advice. I think you still do need a release letter. Ah contacts! ...gone to the wind, died of old age, moved on etc. Its been almost four years now and shop is closed. Sort of funny actually. Worst comes to worst I will move on to less polluted pastures and kick back and keep teaching part time online. |
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Knedliki
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I left China without a release letter and came back with no problems, this was all within the last three years. The new employer (in Shandong) never asked for the letter.
Both times everything was done properly with z-visa and residence permit.
My understanding was that it was only a requirement if you were transferring employers within China. But, as always TIC. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Knedliki wrote: |
I left China without a release letter and came back with no problems, this was all within the last three years. The new employer (in Shandong) never asked for the letter.
Both times everything was done properly with z-visa and residence permit.
My understanding was that it was only a requirement if you were transferring employers within China. But, as always TIC. |
Yeah, I always thought that was the reason too. Then I thought with the visa changes it was required for a new one, rather than switching employers. As usual, now I am finding support for both. |
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jimpellow
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Well, I found out through the organization's "expert" that she does not think that it will be an issue as it will be for a new one.
Of course, I have already been burned twice in the last three years when attempting to return to China by "experts" who stated one thing, yet the current requirement ended up being different.
Third time a charm? |
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wangdaning
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| Hopefully, good luck. |
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hdeth
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| Knedliki wrote: |
I left China without a release letter and came back with no problems, this was all within the last three years. The new employer (in Shandong) never asked for the letter.
Both times everything was done properly with z-visa and residence permit.
My understanding was that it was only a requirement if you were transferring employers within China. But, as always TIC. |
My school in Qingdao apparently had no clue what a release letter even was. I had to draft something up for them to send to my new employer.
I think a lot rests on the FAO's connection. The current HR guy who's basically the FAO for this school wants to do everything totally by the book,which creates difficulties when the immigration requirements seem to be quite....organic. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| hdeth wrote: |
| Knedliki wrote: |
I left China without a release letter and came back with no problems, this was all within the last three years. The new employer (in Shandong) never asked for the letter.
Both times everything was done properly with z-visa and residence permit.
My understanding was that it was only a requirement if you were transferring employers within China. But, as always TIC. |
My school in Qingdao apparently had no clue what a release letter even was. I had to draft something up for them to send to my new employer.
I think a lot rests on the FAO's connection. The current HR guy who's basically the FAO for this school wants to do everything totally by the book,which creates difficulties when the immigration requirements seem to be quite....organic. |
Yeah, and Qingdao is no cakewalk to get a visa.
I remember reading on one of the immigration forums about this requirement. But my memory is vague and I am unable to find it.
A poster had asked why he was being asked for a release letter if he was not transferring jobs. The response was that it was believed to be a new requirement to better ensure that people were not coming to China on a z-visa, then quitting the job and doing something else for eleven months, then hopping to another region and repeating it. Has logic to it, but doesn't seem to have become nearly as enforced as say the pre-med or the CBC. |
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